17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Hi

It was Lt. Bernhard Schulten. He was shot down at Hirson-Area and came to the Reserve Lazarett Frankfurt/Main with wounds. The I./JG 76 became the message about Schulten at the 19.05.1940. On the 25.05.1940 he came back to his unit.

Greetings Christian

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Thank you Christian.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Jim: Same story is repeated in '12 Days In May' which was not substantiated by Schypek when I interviewed him some years ago

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Gettin' old bites - read the book several years ago and have absolutely no remembrance of reading about that incident. Thank you.

However, your statement 'not substantiated by Schypek' leaves me somewhat confused. Did he just not remember the incident or was he indeed WIA (even though his FB says otherwise)? Trying to clarify as part of a database project. We can take this off-line if you'd prefer.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

He was not shot down nor was he wounded. As his logbook says, Lt Schulten abgeschossen!

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Having had a chance to review '12 Days in May' it appears, unless there is a later edition than the one I have, that the authors attribute the 2./JG 76 loss in question on 17-May-1940 to Schypek. So far it appears that only Gillet has noted and corrected the conflict in a published source - Schulten vs. Schypek. At least amongst the sources I know. I have a copy of Schypek's FB and certainly hadn't noticed the conflict between this and other sources. Cudos to Mr. Gillet. Hope it adds to the recording of an accurate record of the campaign in May 1940.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Actually, "Raucourt bei Origny" or "bei Origny" alone, "Bei Hirson" means nothing.
1st you have to discover which Origny you're talking about from Normandy to Alsace and, 2nd ... Same thing with Raucourt.
...
Here is your place: Raucourt-au-Bois. And old auction.

Cheers, Franck.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Franck,

Interesting. I have another view of this aircraft captioned as 'La Raminoise', which is SE of Artaise-le-Vivier, a little west of Huttes-de-Raucourt, SSW of Raucourt-et-Flaba ?

Location apart, exactly what other evidence is there to connect SCHULTEN with this Black 7 ?

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Peter I think we have also then and now photos confirming our location.

Regards

Robert

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Yes, location of the belly-landing of Black 7 is well established but the exact date and identity of the pilot still remain open to question.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Hummmm .... Thank you Peter,

Interesting!
And HOW it has been "well" established; I mean by which way(s) ?
And this well known - by who? - has been published somewhere? I'm curious to know that ... And a lot of French guys, friends, fans, writers, historians ... with me :)

Regards, Franck.

PS I forgot, what is that place? As for the pilot it's written in the first two posts.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

It`s had been established by one of our team members. He found the place and took photos of a farm, which could be seen in background of some of the photos showing this aircraft. It will be published in our forthcoming book.
So stay easy.

Regards

Robert

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Hi,any idea when this forthcoming book will be published?

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Hope that in a couple of years.

Robert

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Thank you Robert.
I'm afraid I'll be dead before . :) Ah, by the way: your "team", EOE?..

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

With regards to Franck and the EOE project, I note nobody responded to my appeal for an update on the 3.7.17.
Its gone very quiet on this project and I wonder whether we will ever get to see
the final outcome of this work.
Rgs,
Steve.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Hi Steve,

we just working on the first volume - 1.9.39. It`s no easy to write a new book on this subject because day for day you get new materials. Just think how many actions, losses and claims you must take into regard and found details of them in many languages. You must select photos (we have now approx. 70.000 but it`s still too less to document e.g. all losses, make profiles, maps, airfield and squadron leader roosters as well as many, many other things. It took me over 10 years to gather materials for Polish Campain and I`m still disappointed with some subjects like German long-reconnaissance units. But of course I understand your disappointment.

Regards

Robert

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Thank you for your direct answer Robert.
Still the same team I see! But doesn't matter any way ... :)

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Good morning Robert, thank you for explaining the situation regarding EOE.
The fact nobody has spoken on these pages for so long was concerning, I applaud the team for taking the time and effort to secure hopefully, the finest publication ever seen on our favourite subject.
Best regs,
Steve.

Re: 17-May-40 2./JG 76 Schypek or Schulten
 

Dear Peter,

I never took time to answer you. Indeed, it's the place.
Thanks very much.
Regards,
Franck.