Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Ansaldo SVA 9 12840 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...wAAOSwO7deyR4k


And Ansaldo A.1 Balilla at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-Fotogra...cAAOSwyEJeygut


Can anyone see any evidence which indicates the photos are either wartime or postwar?



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are fotos of the following Ansaldo aircraft :


Ansaldo SVA 6 11727





https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-Fotogra...cAAOSw-m1e2JrR


Ansaldo SVA 10 12905


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-Fotogra...0AAOSwU0de2JtY


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Clint

In spite of what the seller claims, I cannot see 12905 as stated.
In consideration to everyone who is looking he has very admirably put his own bonus logos right on top of the serial number, but to me it looks much more like the last digit is either an 8 or a 3

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


I've just looked again after reading your response and I have to agree. Personally I'd gp for 12908.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Funny Clint

That was my first choice as well :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

And here as they say are some I copied earlier.


This time Ansaldos on floats as follows:


Ansaldo Sopwith


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-15-WW-1-...wAAOSwNw1eSbnA



and Ansaldo ISVA:




https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-33-WW-1-...sAAOSwPa9eSb19


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-32-WW-1-...gAAOSwrL9eSb1L




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently available on ebay are two photos of Ansaldo aircraft as follows:


Ansaldo A.I Balilla?


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-34-WW-1-...wAAOSwN~VeSb2z


Ansaldo SVA 2


https://www.ebay.it/itm/765-29-WW-1-...cAAOSw7RteSbyq


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Clint

Ansaldo, yes, I think so, but no Balilla. They were only single-bay but the one here is two-bay. Not any SVA model either I think, unless experimental. The SVA strut arrangement was quite different.

It may even be a post war design. I am pretty useless with frontal shots, but could perhaps be some kind of Fiat design?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello Stig,


Thanks for the response and you're correct. I can't identify the aircraft for certain, but if you look at how the SVA.2 photo is captioned and the two ISVA in the post above which are from the same seller all have the designation of the aircraft and then the engine used. So whatever this aircraft is its a P.F. Is it then the Pomilio PF?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Good question Clint

But I don't think there was any Pomilio PF, or have I missed something?

Unless you can come up with what a Pomilio PF was I am not happy with the Pomilio designation. The only aircraft which comes near is the PE but there are too many small details which just don't fit.

Sorry....:o

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello Stig,


Am I completely satisfied with this link as an answer, well no, but the site owner claims to have seen a photo of a Pomilio PF:


http://www.worldairforces.com/Countries/italy/itl.html


Obviously I'd like to see that photograph, assuming the machine in my link isn't. I hesistate to ask, but could Kees be of any assistance?


Also, I've looked at the Pomilio WDF P.10 and an Ansaldo A.3 or A.4 might be an answer. Wildest speculation here, but could the putative PF have been redesignated as either of these machines?




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of Ansaldo SVA 10 13220 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...011147659.html


This serial shows that the serial range of this batch extended beyond the 13214 given in WDF 122.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Clint
I was wrong. There was a Pomilio PF at the end of the war, and this is it.
It never went into production, but was the forerunner of the Ansaldo A.300

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are four photos of the Ansaldo ISVA at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-ANTICHE...fx6xr#viTabs_0


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an Ansaldo SVA evaluated by the RFC ????:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-...YAAOSwVuhgAErp


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Can't say I have heard of any official testing.

Some RFC pilots flew it in Italy (Barker for instance) but I don't believe that was in any official capacity.

The stamp on the back should not be interpreted as an official statement tests were made on the speciman in question.
More probable, to me, is that the Italians gave photos, for various reasons, to official RFC institutions etc and we are looking at one of them.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Sounds credible.On the other hand its not impossible ,I guess, that an example was tested officially by the RFC either in Italy or in the UK. Alas my collection of Italian related aircraft books is not large enough to either rule in or rule out evaluation. There's an Italian book on the SVA which I've just tried ordering from Amazon.it, but they won't deliver to the UK.Curses.A side view with a serial would have been helpful.The hat of ground crew uniform looks like it might be British,but again, more info required.To my mind the question is, why send a photo specifically to the experimental section. Sure I can understand photos being provided to the RFC/RAF for identity purposes, but what possible use has such a photo for a UK based establishment.Definitely more information need before reaching a definite conclusion.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello Stig,


It would appear that the Ansaldo was tested by the RAF after all. Please see answers to my question at:


https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/...-with-the-rfc/


Had I known the serial I would have been able to say that aircraft was tested in Britain myself as WDF 130 P.6 has a little info, though not as informative as the two posts on the Great War forum.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Ha, ha Clint :)

One should never say never. I looked in the WDF (all three) but just in the end where normally the text brings up service with other Air Forces and such things.

Typically it appeared in the beginning....:o

I have a book about Martlesham Heath - not mentioned at all. However I found a small clipping from Cross & Cockade (overlooked last time) where Lord Balfour mentions he flew the aircraft from Orfordness to Bircham Newton. No dates except "Spring 1918". He had cooling problems and upon arrival the engine seized. He claimed it was the last flight of that aircraft, but as we can see it was not.
If Alegi is correct it was even returned to Italy.

Not every day my knowledge about an aircraft in RFC (?)/RAF service gets trippled....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice photo of SVA.10 12847 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/REGIA-AERONA...QAAOSwURJgNRkH


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are three photos,none of them particularly well posed of Italian aircraft. However,what is interesting is a photo of an Ansalso marked SV 6369


https://www.ebay.it/itm/226450779712...Bk9SR6Dmq4_mZA


I wonder if this is the prototype or preproduction machine as it comes from a small batch of aircraft probably numbering six examples at most. The SV rather than SVA tends to suggest possibly the prototype,but if so why preceded by 6368?



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hi Clint

Very nice find. Never seen any SVA painted without the A.
As per Alegi the design was initially only known as the SV (drawn up by two DTAM individuals
Umberto Savoja and Rodolfo Verduzio)

Ansaldo became the chosen producer with an added A.

However the first couple of SVA 1 built were initially only known only as as SV, hence the lack of
of an A. If all the initial six MM6368 - 6373 carried only SV is something I don't know.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the reply. I take it we're both working off the same Alergi, WDF 130 Ansaldo SVA Fighters at War.In any case comparing the photos of the SV prototype in that work, I notice that none have the headrest seen in the ebay photo of 6369,though admittedly it could have been added later.


WDF 130 also has a photo of 6372 which Gregory Alergi suggests may have been the second SVA shipped to the USA. The type is however not given. I would be interested to know what Casari has for this machine to determine whether it helps in identifying 6369.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Ansaldo Aircraft
 

Well Clint

For some unknown reason Casari failed to include any Ansaldos in his book.

At least four or five SVAs had been sent to USA by 1921. Those (two-three?) sent during the war
can't have had much impact, since Casari totally overlooked them.

MM 6372 is identified on page 37 as a SV/SVA.1

Cheers
Stig