Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo captioned by the seller as Tokogawa No.3 Farman at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Scarce-Origi...cAAOSwP1de551~


Consulting my copy of Mikesh and Abe's Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941 P.47 - P.48 I believe the aircraft on the ledt may be the Kaishiki No.3 while the aircraft on the right is perhaps a Army Type Mo.


Also available is a photo of a Japanese Nieuport 6M operated by Japan at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Scarce-Origi...sAAOSwF5Ne55uA




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Also tonight on ebay are some japanese phone cards with photos of Japanese aircraft:


What appears to be anArmy Type Mo-6 Aeroplane, A Caudron G.4 and a Spad 13, the latter two definitely being post war at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/X3-AEROPLANE...oAAOSwnlRe587r


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Clint

The Japanese Army never used any early Nieuport monoplanes.
Cannot say for certain with regard to the Navy, but I cannot locate any.

The Farman-Mo 6 has been published before but it is interesting to see the digits 40 on the fin. Japan built huge numbers of Farman copies. I wonder if Maurice and Henry ever saw a single yen..... :)

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Stig,


According to Davila and Soltan French Aircraft of the First World War P.351 Japan operated a single Nieuport quote 'probably a type 6M' It was sent 'to Tsingtao as part of the Provisional Air Corps Unit and flew reconnaiisance missions'.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Indeed Clint

But that is refuted by Bernard Baeza in his Les Avions de l'Armée Imperial Japonaise 1910-1945.

Not a single line or photo of any Nieuport monoplane in that book....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Ok Stig,


Well the info in Davila and Soltan did seem, relatively speaking, quite comprehensive. That is the aircraft was stated to have undertaken specific activities, and while its not possible to deduce that the aircraft is Japanese from the front of the postcard, the text on the rear may be (ok I couldn't tell you if its japanese or another language with a pictographic alphabet) Japanese.If Baeza explicitly states that no Nieuport was operated by Japan however, that does sound fairly definite. If its just not included, a bit less so.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are some interesting (?) photos of early Japanese Naval aircraft at :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...IAAOSwGmZbzKqU

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...MAAOSwu3dbzKq-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...UAAOSwJuZbzKrF


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Stig,

In Sekigawa's book on Japanese Military Aviation there are two photos of an Army Nieuport NG monoplane. He says that in 1913 the Army imported two from France, one three-seat NM and one two-seat NG. Both were used for training and in the Tsingtao campaign. The Navy did not buy any.

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

George/Clint

Yes I do have Sekigawa's book from 1974.

Baeza is very clear in his book from 2011, there are no Nieuport monoplanes listed in his work. One of his sources are the stated book, so it would be very strange if he had missed that detail.

However I also note that Mikesh/Abe state basically the same thing, twice, in their Putnam book, although they claim it was a single NG.

Checking further, I notice that the quite rare book 'Baron Miyahara and his World of Aircraft 1910-1970 (from 2008) also states two were imported, one two-seater and one three-seater. They also claim it was a Lt Nagasawa who went to France and bought them.

So with this veritable cannonade of other sources who claim 1 - 2 Nieuport monoplanes were used, perhaps Baeza is wrong after all....
Usually no smoke without a fire....

Cheers
Stig

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Hello Stig/George,


There is currently a photo on ebay here:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...sAAOSwI2xbb8-g


I'm wondering if this too is a Nieuport, although checking Mikesh & Abe it could also be the Tsuzuku No.3 Aeroplane I guess.


Also I wonder could either of you identify the two floatplanes in the second link of my last post. I'm a bit stumped here.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two further phtos of early Japanese aircraft at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...gAAOSwKcRbzKqb


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japan-Pre-W...wAAOSwX3FbC3BB



Regards,


Clint

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Hello,


While surfing earlier I came across a site selling postcards of early Japanese aircraft here are some:


https://www.ehagaki.org/shopping/ja-...1_a7_a1/18308/


https://www.ehagaki.org/shopping/ja-...1_a7_a1/18309/


https://www.ehagaki.org/shopping/ja-...1_a7_a1/18311/


https://www.ehagaki.org/shopping/ja-...1_a7_a1/18314/


https://www.ehagaki.org/shopping/ja-...1_a7_a1/18315/


There are other photos, some relevant to this board, some not.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos related to early Japanese aviation including the Bleriot XI-2 in which Lt Kimura Suzoshiro was killed at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16530020449...IAAOSw4NRh7~NC


Some Navy operated Farmans:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/16530020465...AAAOSwSS1h7~OQ



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a pair of Felixstowe F.5 of the Yokosuka Kokutai



https://www.ebay.com/itm/31510634801...sAAOSwHzJlqhzf


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Outside my comfort zone here Clint, but didn't the Yokosuka based F.5s have a distinct Y on their fins?

I have a shot of another F.5 showing 'Y8' and stated also to be from Yokosuka. :confused:

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hi Stig,


Outside my comfort zone too. I've seen the Yokosuka Ku F.5s marked with the Y too. Having said this the Yo character shown on the tail of these machines associated with the Yokosuka Ku came in 26.07.21 ,whereas the Y was used from 21.06.1916 until that date,though according to Cea,the origin of this info, trainers of the Yokosuka Ku used an R rather than the Y for the earlier period.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

OK Clint

No idea who this 'Cea' is or what his info is, but since appx 50 F.5 were used by the Japanese,
most of them post 26.7.21 I am surprised that there are so many photos of 'Y' coded F.5 and
so few 'Yo' ones.
Should be the other way round....:confused:

Is there a list somewhere for Navy aircraft markings up to 1940 or so?
I think I am pretty well covered for the WW 2 period (think mind you....)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Agreed Stig.1921 cannot be correct.My problem is that I have no more information on interwar JNAF aircraft and their codes than you do.However,the same work Eduardo Cea Aircraft of the Imperial Japanese Navy Land-based Aviation 1929-45 (I)(?) has a colour illustration of a 1MT1 captioned as 1927. So clearly something is amiss.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Aha Clint

Another book I don't have....:o

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Yokosuka E1Y of the Kasumigaura Kokutai


https://www.ebay.com/itm/31483889588...3ABFBM9NSUnNhj


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of either a Nakajima Ki-6 or a Super Universal. I read the letters under the wing as possibly DON. So may be J-BDON?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/25648037736...0AAOSwWthmHJLz



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the Dornier Do D (aka Kawasaki K-8) during trials at Kasumigaura and alsO a Yokosho Ro-go Ko-gata Reconnaisance Seaplane of the Yokosuka Kaigun Kokutai.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166849198...Bk9SR9T6z_aNZA



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hang on Clint

The Dornier Do D must be the prototype WNr 57 sent to Japan in 1925.
No production followed in Japan.

Did really Kawasaki give it a type number of its own?
I always thought the K-x range was used only by Kawanishi (their K-8A/B was something
quite different)

Cheers
Stig

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I fear you're correct Stig.I'm not having a great week when it comes to uncritically accepting information. In this case https://www.histaviation.com/dornier...roduction.html I take it the Navy Do D did not have a civil J- registration at any time at all?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

The site you looked at is not so bad I think, but in this case it is wrong.

Superficially the two types Kawanishi K-8 and the Dornier Do D were similar but
in detail very different.

The photo shown (bottom right) and registration is correct for the K-8A but not for the Do D.
Not sure why the site got it wrong since they list the aircraft as a Kawanishi (left column)
and then say Kawasaki (right column).

As far as I know the Do D never carried a civil Japanese registration. The IJN was not
interested in the end.
Incidentally the Yugoslavs were not very happy with the aircraft either.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Rather O/T for this board and the quality of the photo is not great,but given the unusual subject matter appears worth posting: Cierva C.19 IV J-BAYA is on ebay at


https://www.ebay.com/itm/22621568795...Bk9SR_7k-JaRZA


Rather wondering if photos exist of its ister machine evaluated by the Japanese Navy



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Japanese Aircraft
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Junkers F.13 of the JAAF. Apparently this machine is Wnr 577.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/204889850301...Bk9SR-atlIycZA



Clint

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Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Nakajima A2N Houkoku 55 and Mitsubishi B1M Houkoku 37


https://www.ebay.com/itm/40541911454...Bk9SR9bujZn5ZA



Regards,


Clint