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edwest 24th August 2006 03:47

Photos 8-23
 
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

maccullagh 24th August 2006 04:17

Re: Photos 8-23
 
The third ME 109 photo collection has a plane which looks like black one and has Medittrainian theatre band on the fuselage, can anyone identify it, the unit and the time please.

Apart from the colour it has similar markings to one I am trying to identify.

Regards

Rick Maccullagh

edwest 24th August 2006 06:33

Re: Photos 8-23
 
More photos


Me 109
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Misc.
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Photo album
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The Blitz and scrapped LW aircraft (note photos printed from claimed original slide negatives)
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

Von Alles 24th August 2006 11:10

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccullagh
The third ME 109 photo collection has a plane which looks like black one and has Medittrainian theatre band on the fuselage, can anyone identify it, the unit and the time please.

Apart from the colour it has similar markings to one I am trying to identify.

Regards

Rick Maccullagh

5/JG 53

Von Alles

maccullagh 24th August 2006 14:22

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Can you tell me if any JG 53 planes were in the region of Nort Africa from July 1941 until March 1942.

Could they have operated from Italy /Sicily during this time ?.

Thanks

Sergio Luis dos Santos 24th August 2006 15:04

Re: Photos 8-23
 
What a beautiful Ar 96!
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And no, not a Fw 189 with nose art, just a Si 204 from a school...
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Stig Jarlevik 24th August 2006 19:19

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Hi All

Anyone who can put a name to this Spanish "thing"

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Cheers
Stig

Von Alles 24th August 2006 19:19

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maccullagh
Can you tell me if any JG 53 planes were in the region of Nort Africa from July 1941 until March 1942.

Could they have operated from Italy /Sicily during this time ?.

Thanks

JG 53 operated against Malta from December 1941 to May 1942, of course from Sicily (Gela, Comiso airstrips)

Von Alles

Von Alles 24th August 2006 19:23

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik
Hi All

Anyone who can put a name to this Spanish "thing"

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300020730875

Cheers
Stig

I think it is a Caudron Luciole, but I can't identify the precise sub-type.

Von Alles

maccullagh 25th August 2006 13:21

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Von Alles,

Thanks for your reply.

I have a belly landed 109 that I am trying to identify that has similar markings to the plane in question except it looks like yellow 9 with the group bar being red or yellow.

It was photographed at El Adem a/f christmas 1941 (see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/attach...2&d=1152015559 ).

Is it possible to be from this unit.

Regards

Rick

John Beaman 25th August 2006 15:13

Re: Photos 8-23
 
I think the a/c is from 5./JG 27.IRC, II Gruppe used red gruppe bars on all its machines during this time frame.

Stig Jarlevik 25th August 2006 21:38

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Dear von Alles

Thanks for the tip. It is deff not a Luciole. I had already rejected the Caudron when your ID reply made me look again. What I had taken for a rotary engine could well be an inline of some sort. No readily visible exhaust pipes though...

I have to agree it has some very Caudron look-a-like features such as the tailfin, so is it possible it is an earlier Caudron type? Spain after all operated a couple of other types, such as C.59 and C.490

Anyone else?

Cheers
Stig

Von Alles 27th August 2006 11:58

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Dear Stig,

I am gonna do further researches.
Personnaly, I was not 100% sure it was a Luciole, but the fin indicates a Caudron.

Have a good day

Von Alles

Von Alles 27th August 2006 12:35

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Stig,
I think it is a C-59, a basic trainer issued in 1921, selected by the french air force and built in several hundreds, exported in various countries including Spain.
This particuliar machine has not the original engine (Hispano 8 Aa 180ch),
maybe a De Havilland ?

Best regards

Von Alles

Stig Jarlevik 27th August 2006 16:30

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Dear von Alles

I think you are right. Looks very much like a C.59 except the engine.
Thanks again

Cheers
Stig

fran 28th August 2006 12:52

Re: Photos 8-23
 
These were Caudron C.59 or C.490 used by Republican Flight School. Three of them were captured in an aerodrome in Teruel on April 1938 by nationalist ace Angel Salas who landed his CR-32 in the airstrip to not let them take off.

Regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik
Hi All

Anyone who can put a name to this Spanish "thing"

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300020730875

Cheers
Stig


Jim P. 28th August 2006 18:43

Re: Photos 8-23
 
That photo has been discussed here - it is of an incident involving Erich Krenke of 6./JG 27.

maccullagh 29th August 2006 00:50

Re: Photos 8-23
 
Jim,

The photo is of my father standing in front of the ME 109.

All opinions were that it was Erich's plane.

Further research of my fathers records show that he was back in Australia in April 1942 and Erich was shot down in May 1942 so the search continues as to who's plane it is. The photo is dated xmas 1941.

What seams to be holding things up is the layout of the markings which were not commonly used in the area of El Adem A/F and North Africa around that time.

I have found lots of similar markings but they all seam to come well after xmas 1941.

Regards

Rick

maccullagh 31st August 2006 13:40

Re: Photos 8-23
 
In spite of all the help I have received from this forum whilst trying to identify the ME 109, I have not been able even able get close to the identification.

My next avenue of searching is to try and contact members of my fathers unit that are still alive in Australia and see if anyone has similar photos. This might give further clues.

My fathers unit was the 2/1 Anti Aircraft Regiment, Australian Army.

However, I would like to ask any readers of this forum if they have any photos of ME 109s, number 9, that were in the area of Tobruk and El Adem A/F during the period June 1941 to April 1942.

I would also like to thank all that have contributed on this subject up to now.

Regards

Rick Maccullagh


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