He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Hallo,

What was the fate of this machine?
Was it lost in action (accident due to weather)?
Is there a werknummer for that code E8+FH?
Which was the full crew? All KIA?

A.

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Seems the Search tool was not recording E8+FG properly...

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ghlight=Gumrak

But who were the other crewmembers???

A

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

I Have ;-

Ff Maj Kurt Schede
B Uffz Max Kashr
Bf Ofw Hans Nentashel
Bm Fw Fritz Langenberg
Bs Uffz Anton Muller
Bs Ogef Josef Galanski

Crew all killed He 177 A-1 E8+FH I/KG 50 5233

Regards
Brian Bines

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Brian,

My gratitude indeed for the full crew member names of the E8+FH crew...I made a typo on last message.

Thanks a lot!

A.

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Adriano: What is your interest in this as i have written about the He 177 and its link with the Hs 293 and Fw 200

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Brian

Surely the unit was I./FKG 50?

Cheers
Stig

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

It certainly wasn’t NSG 9, which inherited the E8 code in November 1943! This change confused RAF Intelligence at first because they only knew of its use by FKG 50.

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Stig, thanks for pointing that out I have changed it to KG 50 as on the GQM

Best regards
Brian Bines

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Chris, my interest was only this first KG 50 crew loss and particularly Major Scheede's crew.

Sorry about the delay in answering you back....quite busy lately...

A.

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Hello,

in GQM loss return 11 Feb 1943 item 12 is listed:
16.1. I./KG 50 Feindflug, Auftrag: Gumrak, Ursache: unbekannt, He 177 5233 E8+FH
F Maj Kurt Schede (Gruppenkommandeur) vermisst
B Uffz Max Knehr vermisst
Bf Ofw Hans Hentschel vermisst
Bm Fw Fritz Langenberg vermisst
Bs Uffz Anton Müller vermisst
Bs Obgfr Josef Galewski vermisst.
Correction GQM 1 May 1943: Besatzung Major Schede gefallen.

Regards
Leo

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Excuse my lack of knowledge but why FKG and not KG 50 simply? What the purpose and meaning of the F before?

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

LEO,

Thanks for the additional details....

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F for Fern

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

Thanks for clarifying it Chris.

Re: He 177 A-1 (E8+FH)
 

According to Dmitry Degtev and Dmitry Zubov (item 30 of Chapter 4 of the book “Hitler's Air Bridges: The Luftwaffe's Supply Operations of the Second World War”): “the fate of Major Kurt Schede became clear only after seventy-four years. At the end of 2016, the wreckage of a He 177 was found on the ravine near the village of Talovaya Balka (Svitlovodsky district of the Kirovograd area, now in Ukraine)”.

According to the Russian historians, only small fragments of the German bomber were found, but some included the nameplates and badge of the pilot, thus confirming this was the machine of Major Kurt Schede and his crew. Due to the bad weather at Zaporozhye, the crew may have opted to land at the reserve field, in Kirovograd. Apparently, the Bordfunker radioed that the airplane was fired at by anti-aircraft guns (AA), near Polyakovka, and crashed soon afterwards. The probable cause of their loss would be, therefore: “friendly fire”.

Does anyone knows the Historians who have dig out the remains of Major Schede and of his machine? Are there images of those items found on the place where the wreckage was found? Was he re-buried accordingly? What are the news from the Ukraine area about this He 177 finding?

Adriano