Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

While browsing the net a while ago, I came across a page in Spanish listing the Junkers Ju 86s sold to Chile, including the construction numbers. Unfortunately, I cannot find that page anymore.
If someone has info on the constr. nos. of the Chilean Ju 86K-6s, please let me/us know. It's not for publishing purpose.
Thanks,

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Just sent you an e-mail Dénes

Cheers
Stig

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

The serial numbers of the chilean Ju 86 K and Z are not known. According to the gaps in my s/n list I think the serial numbers are most probably as follows:
0323
0324
0326
0327
0329
0331
0333
0335
0337
0339
0343
0347

See also the enclosed list (extract).

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Many thanks, Peter, for the additions and an excerpt from your Ju 86 table.

The reason why I inquired about the constr. numbers of the Chilean Ju 86s is solely to try to understand the logic behind the distribution of the 8603xx series of aircraft built by Junkers.

One question, though, the 860341 does not show up in the list included in the Ju 86s sold to Sweden, as published in Swedish Bomber Colours, by MMP Books, page 54. However, the c/n of aircraft No. 135 is given as 860431. Could this be a typo for 860341?
Also, can you confirm that 860344 indeed ended up in Hungary?
Final question: which customer do you have for 860370?

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Very interesting list Peter

I have sent Dénes the list provided by Tincopa/Rivas as listed in the book Axis Aircraft in Latin America. See above.
Their main informer regarding Chile was Danilo Villaroel.
The ID of WNr 0325 vs 0323 seems to be a misprint (already identified by Dénes)
The identification of WNr 0328 - 0330 vs 0329, 0331, 0333 seems to be guesswork from whoever was responsible, that is if the deliveries to Hungary are 100% confirmed by other sources.
I would say Dénes also seems to favour your list and not Tincopa/Rivas

Cheers
Stig

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Indeed a typo in the book. 860341 was the one going to Sweden.
I have nothing for 860431

Cheers
Stig

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

I have the 0341 for Sweden. 0431 was an Ju 86 G.

0344 was exported to Hungary. I have no information about further fate.

0370 was also exported to Hungary, flown in March 1938 from Dessau via Munich to Szombathely as D-AYQO.

And there is no logic behind the 08603XX-series. There were cancelled orders from Austria and China and s/n were reassigned to different countries, and some of these ex Ju 86 K went to the Luftwaffe. It's a mess.

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

@Stig Jarlevik
You mentioned the book "Axis Aircraft in Latin America". Are the s/n of the four Ju 86 Z of LAN given in the book?

Thanks
Peter

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Stig has provided me with the Werknummern of the four civilian aircraft employed by Chile:
CC-220 to 223 (222-223 later to FACh as 901-902), WNr 860240 - 243.
However, these are outside my scope of interest, which in this case is Hungary.

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Thanks Dénes

Yes Peter, they do, and since I am still in Munic I am unable to answer.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Thank you for the s/n of the Ju 86 Z. I have no idea where the information comes from, but 3 of the s/n are wrong.

0240 was exported to Bolivia (Mariscal St. Cruz)
0241 most likely one of the Chilean Ju 86 Z (first flight in February 1939)
0242 Ju 86 D for Luftwaffe (first flight in May 1937)
0243 Ju 86 D for Luftwaffe (first flight in May 1937 also)

And this seems to be a cockpit of a Hungarian Ju 86 K (image detail) :)

Peter

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

The data were taken by Stig from the aforementioned book by Amaru Tincopa and Santiago Rivas (Axis aircraft in Latin America).
There were a few apparent errors with the W.Nr. of the bomber aircraft as well (as discussed earlier).

P.S. Thank you a lot for that instrument panel photo! I haven't seen it before...

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Hi Peter
Pretty alarming update, if you ask me. Since the Bolivian aircraft should be in the book as well (I assume), I wonder what it quotes for that one?

Anyway, the two authors list a Chilean contact who they specifically thank and I can only suggest most (all?) Chilean data comes from him, or at least has been checked out by him.

Have to check the book again when back home.
You don't happen to have any gaps for the other three civil Chilean aircraft?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Thanks Stig,

Bolivia:
Yes, the Bolivian Ju 86 should be in the book. Can you take a look at the book later?

Chilean Ju 86 Z:
Difficult. There are only a few gaps left. My assumptions:
0241 Chile 1, first flight 25 Febr 1939
0497 Chile 2, 21 Jan 1939
0500 Chile 3, 14 Sept 1938
0501 Chile 4, no info

Peter

Re: Junkers Ju 86s for Chile
 

Thanks again Peter

Yes I will certainly have another look when back home.
Will send you a PM about it, since we are straying a bit from the subject

Take Care
Stig