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jmark 18th September 2020 01:55

Emblem on a Storch
 
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Hi guys,

Does anybody recognise this unit emblem? It was on a Storch that landed near 29.Inf.Div. (XXXXVII. Panzerkorps, Panzergruppe 2, Heeresgruppe Mitte) in early August 1941. I can't find anything similar here:
https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/emblems...blems2main.htm

And although I have quite a few pics of the plane, it's call-sign doesn't appear in any of them. [Edit: I found a B/W pic and have added it.]

Many thanks!
Jason

JoMe 18th September 2020 13:12

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Hi Jason

It looks like the emblem of 4.(F)/AGr.14
look here: https://asisbiz.com/luftwaffe/aufklg14.html

best wishes
JoMe

Merlin 18th September 2020 17:07

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It's the night watchman from Eschwege, used as emblem by 5.(H)/23 during 1941 in Central Russia. The unit code of the Storch was 6K+PN.

JoMe 19th September 2020 14:30

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Hi Merlin

I'm doubting.
The city emblem of Eschwege looks different.
Can you show the emblem of 5.(H)/AGr.23 ?

best wishes
JoMe

Larry deZeng 19th September 2020 15:17

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5.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 23 in early August 1941:
16.7.41: 6 of the Staffel’s ground personnel killed and 6 more wounded during enemy air attack on Fp. Orsha.
11.8.41: based at Smolensk-South under Gruppenfliegerstab 31 in support of XXXXVII Motorized Corps.
20.9.41: ordered to Shatalovka/East by Luftflotte 2 for assignment to II. Fliegerkorps.
[Sources: AFHRA Maxwell decimal Karlsruhe Collection KC-Kl13.309-3/ v.1; NARA WashDC: RG 242 (T-77 roll 922/909); (T-313 roll 85/898); PRO London: AIR 40/1979 and 1982; PRO London: HW 5/31; BA-MA Freiburg: RL 2 III Meldungen über Flugzeugunfälle…..(Loss Reports – LRs); BA-MA Freiburg: Flugzeug-Bereitstellungen (Aircraft Availability Status Reports – FzB) in: M.Holm-website (ww2.dk)].

L.

Merlin 19th September 2020 18:02

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It's not the city emblem of Eschwege but the "Dietemann" a symbol figur of the town.

edwest2 19th September 2020 21:48

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Here is an image of the Dietemann.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dieteman....c100930.m5375


I am also not convinced about the emblem interpretation. The asisbiz link shows the Baron Münchhausen holding a telescope and sitting on a cannon ball emblem. This is identified as the emblem of 4.(F)/Aufkl.Gr 14. Page 135 of Luftwaffe Emblems by Barry Ketley.

Mike Watson 21st September 2020 03:34

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Hi. Definitely has all the key characteristics of the Münchhausen emblem of 4(F)14 even if some of the finer details are a bit unclear.

Andre Stewart 26th September 2020 19:48

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Hi Jason,

Could you kindly post a couple of other photos of the Fi-156 showing the emblem, however distant or faint? It might help clear up the interpretation.

Thank you
Andre

ChrisS 27th September 2020 17:28

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Any one who has the book 'Emblem der Luftwaffe Band 1 by Urbanke Petrick Stemmer Balke' will know that this emblem is without a doubt
5.(H)Auf.Kl.Gr. 23. Buy the book and look at page 111.

ouidjat 28th September 2020 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisS (Post 295214)
Any one who has the book 'Emblem der Luftwaffe Band 1 by Urbanke Petrick Stemmer Balke' will know that this emblem is without a doubt
5.(H)Auf.Kl.Gr. 23. Buy the book and look at page 111.


Waow,
It seems you're ready to go back in LRG! Congrats !

edwest2 28th September 2020 20:55

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Thank you ChrisS.

ChrisS 28th September 2020 22:09

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You are welcome edwest.

And Franck, I am not but I can say with a very strong degree of certainty you will never be.

ChrisS 29th September 2020 23:44

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jmark please check your PMs


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