Questions on He162 painting
 

Hello Folk's,
i am doing a model of the He162,and i was wondering how these planes were painted in the factory,by that, i mean,the difference between,the RLM 76 and the top colors such as RLM82 or 83,the color separation seems to be sharp,so was it painted with mask or on free hand with a slight overspray??

If you have an idea,please let me know.
Thank you in advance ad best regards FRANCK.

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Hello Franck,

Unfortunately, I can't anwer your question (although I would have expected that they didn't use a mask but a slight overspray), but I have a similar question:

What was the color of the nose on the unpainted He 162 (e.g. the ones found in the caves and White 6 of JG1)? Was it red primer? The color looks quite dark.

Regards,
Roger Gaemperle

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Franck,

I might have the answer for you? I took photos of 120086 that is part of the collection of the National Aviation Museum Canada, Ottawa, Ontario. This airframe is still in it's original factory camouflage and if you'd like, I could send you some of the images as reference?

For staters, take a look at this link. I'm not really happy with the text, but the photos should speak for themself.

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/he162sf_1.htm

Stephen

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Hello Stephen,
Thank you very much it seems to explain a lot to me it was painted in a straight line but without mask,probably not time.....

Thank you very much,and if you could send somes extras images, here is may adress.

All the best FRANCK.

oudin.franck@wanadoo.fr

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Hi Franck!

Maybe this thread is interesting for you:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=5568

I'm working with Klaus Herold on a He 162 project. He is currently building the He 162,White 6, W.Nr 120231 in scale 1/32.

See here: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/in...ic=8685&st=390

I prepare a 4 side view of that plane.

Cheers, Simon

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Hi Simon,

Couldn't the nose be painted in red primer rather than dark green? As far as I have seen so far wooden parts were commonly painted with a red or yellow primer. But then, I am no expert regarding RLM colors....

Klaus' He 162 looks fantastic. I've been following his projects for a while now.

Regards,
Roger

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Roger!

I'm trying to answer that question since I have started my study on the He 162, and asked many authors and researchers around the world, but it seems that nobody can answer that.

As there is no colour picture of White 6 is avalible I think it's not possible to answer that. Have a look at the He 162 standing in the salt mine Tarthun. There the nose caps have different colours. I can't understand why. So it could be possible that the nose was just the colour of the primer, but it could also be another RLM colour.

Cheers, Simon

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Thank you guy's,but what do you think about what i asked was it painted with masks or on free hand???

All the best FRANCK.

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Franck,
3 weeks ago I visited the Canada Aviation Museum in Rockcliffe (Ottawa). The storage wing, where they keep the Volksjaeger is now open for visitors. With some good words I got a guided tour only for me! - 20 minutes for taking pictures. I was there actually to see another a/c (B-25 Mitchell), but used my minutes for more. I haven't been so lucky (as Stephen was before) to make photos of the wings or the engine, because of their bad placing in the storage, but I made some big scale photos of the He 162 fuselage, tail etc. I'll send you some of them so you can research the paint and the lines.

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Yves!

Could you maybe also send me these pictures to: simon_der_flieger (at) yahoo.de

Thank you,

Simon

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Thank you Yves,and please do send me the picutres.

oudin.franck@wanadoo.fr


All the best FRANCK.

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Here two photos showing the primer on the wooden parts of 120086 in Rockcliffe:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...O/ba8f14f8.jpg http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...O/a03fb15d.jpg



And two other showing red paint/primer where the nose was:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4.../nosepart2.jpg http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...artprimer2.jpg


If this is the photo, I think the noses are in the same colour, just the lighting is different.Or not?
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...nderground.jpg

And this in the back is the nose 3 weeks ago!
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...ARINO/nose.jpg http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...ose_detail.jpg

It seems to me there is no darker ton (dark green) under the blue-grey.

If you visit the museum's site there are descriptions for two a/c:
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/c...(120076).shtml
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/c...(120086).shtml
But the photos are the same (go to "Additional photos" button) and show the "yellow 4" 120076 with splinter camo, perfectly restored. Only 2 old photos show the 120086?

Less than a year ago Feniks wrote in this forum:
Does somebody know what happened to 120076? For sure it wasn't in the Rockcliffe Museum (or was, but very well hidden...)

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Yves,
The photo of the nose at the back is actually the nose cone from 120076. When 120076 was shipped to Canada, 47 MU painted the number '2' on the various broken down components in order not to mix the parts with 120086. 120086 components were marked with the number '3'. Somewhere along the line the nose cone for 120076 was damaged (a hole was punched in it) and the nose cone from 120086 was used on 120076 for display.
If you are able to revisit the museum and see the other side of the nose cone and inspect the damaged area you will be able to see all the layers of paint.
Cheers,
John

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Hi John!
Thanks for the information!
It's not possible to make a photo from the back of the nose cone now, but maybe they will turn it around one day. On the detail I posted before you can see some crack on the "dark side" of the cone and the number "359" on the front side. But take a look at this photo, from a site Stephen wrote about some postings earlier:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...162-120086.jpg
This nose is badly damaged. Yoy can see a painted "2" (I guess?)on it.

On one of the museums photos you see the same plane with an intact or repaired nose cone:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4.../120086-Av.jpg

I really don't know which photo was taken earlier, but if they have taken the better part for 120076, where is the worse?

Re: Questions on He162 painting
 

Hi Yves,
I was mistaken when I said "If you are able to revisit the museum and see the other side of the nose cone and inspect the damaged area you will be able to see all the layers of paint." Closer inspection of one of Stephen's photos shows that repairs have been done and what I mistook for a hole was nothing other than a bunch of tape.
The writing on the damaged nose is '47 MU', the '2' is not visible as it is on the top of the cone.
Suspect the bottom photo showing "an intact or repaired nose cone" is indeed after repairs.
Both photos were taken in Manitoba before 120086 was shipped to the museum in Ottawa.
Your quote "but if they have taken the better part for 120076, where is the worse?" - The undamaged nose cone belonging to 120086 and went onto 120076 for display, the damaged nose cone belonging to 120076 went onto 120086 which is shown in your photo(s).
As 120086 now sits - the fuselage, wings and tail plane are maked with the number '3' and the nose cone marked with the number '2'.
Cheers,
John

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Hi John!
When I wrote "You can see a painted 2" I really located it on this photo, on the top of the nose cone:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...oto_detail.jpg
The second photo shows in fact the damaged and repaired nose:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...detailnose.jpg
And in present days the same nose cone is damaged again:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...se_removed.jpg
You eventually see black paint (must be a 2).
If I only new this! But I'm optimistic - the next one who will visit the museum in Rockcliffe will be advised (if he reads our forum of course).

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If i m right 120076 (or 120086?) is awaited to the Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin...

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O. Menu,

I hope 120086 is not slated for the Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin because it's a rare bird. All I can say is I'm glad I took many photos of both airframes.

Stephen