Pre-War LW accidents Data or KIA register - exist?
 

Does anyone know, if there is some kind of Luftwaffe PRE-WAR accidents or register of Aviators killed in flying accidents (1935-1939 period)?

I do have a photograph of a burial held in Halle (possibly Nietleben), taken before the war (probably 1938 or early 1939), showing 6 coffins.

Since the machines shown inside the huge Hangar (Staffel-1) are Do 23 and Fw 56, I do believe the frame of time is correct.

Where could I find the possible names for 6-7 Aviators killed on the same DATE, pre-war? Any advice?

A.

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Karl Ries Luftwaffen Story 1935-39 has some crashes listed

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Shall try to find. Thanks Chris and keep the good work.

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There are reports by the Deutsche Versuchsanstalt für Luftfahrt beginning January 1936.

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Plus the reports issued by the Inspektion für Flugsicherheit und Gerät (RLM): http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ght=inspektion

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From the A.D.I.(K) Captured Documents lists in AIR40/1182, specifically Item 10 List 151, there is also reference to an intriguing document 'Liste der tödlichen Flugunfälle im Berech der Luftwaffe’ covering 1938-1939.

I've drawn a complete blank on this in my research so have disappointingly concluded it was destroyed some time shortly after the end of the war.

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I see that it seems those files are not digitalized and, if they look "almost inaccessible" for European Historians like you, it will be harder for me, from where I am, to have either a glimpse.

I am trying to contact some Halle cemiteries...maybe they do have a list of LW airmen killed between 1938 and early 1939.

As previously reported, I believe that there was a crash between a Do 11 or Do 23 and another training machine....or between 3 training machines (with 2 Aviators each). The photo I do have do show 6 coffins being Honored on the main Hangar of Halle-Saale, with families, LW personnel, etc....before the 2nd WW.

Period may be 1938-mid 1939...To loose one or two in training is normal in most Air Forces, but to loose 6 in a single accident may have been a sad date to record...Maybe the Cemiteries do have such an entry recorded....I shall try anyway to find more about this accident.

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Adriano, I did a quick search on Ries´book and could not find a matching crash BUT among the ones in the book I found few ones with Ju52/3m with several casualities. I can speculate due the high number of cofins in the photo the dead ones may be from one of these crashes...

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Adriano,
The archives listing of this link https://gsta.preussischer-kulturbesi...eburg_komplett speaks on p. 72 of a Ju-52 crash at Halle on 1.10.1936. Unit: Heeres- und Luftnachrichtenschule based in same town.


Perhaps Ju-52 experts can help you further to see if date matches with a known loss..


Regards,
Leendert

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SERGIO,

Would you be able to photograph or scan me the entry for the crash that Gerhard Stemmer mentioned and that one that Leendert mentioned, if possible?

It has been a long time since we last talked and met...and what about the book about the Fw 58?

LEENDERT, thank you very very much for that piece of information regarding the crash at Halle on the 1st October 1936.

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Ries book do not have a matching entry for 1.10.1936... Only crash with Ju52/3m with casualities over 6 is 22.02.1937 a machine from Blindflugschule Celle coded 07+B40 (seven killed) at Baarsen near Bad Pyrmont



Which crash Stemmer mentioned?



The book on the Fw 58 will never be written by me. Hope someone in future goes agead with this project.

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Olá Sérgio!

Stemmer mentioned this crash on the 22 Feb 1937. Do you happen to have the names of the seven killed and the werknummer of this machine. Do not know if the entry for this accident do inform the time of the accident and the weather....was it a malfunction of the machine, or the weather (disorientation) the probable cause of the accident?

I shall recount the coffins, but for me it seemed to be 6....not 7....and I need to put the front Hangar photo here too....have had not too much time for that recently. Maybe tomorrow.

Adriano

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Here the promissed photos. Hope it will pass through

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I believe that the first photo (Halle-4) is NOT related to the burial of the 6 airmen on photos 2 and 3, where we can read ALLE-1 and taffel-1, possibly related to HALLE-1 and Staffel-1, where the cerimony ocurred.

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The crash Stemmer mentions is the one I listed above. Listing on Ries book do not mentions names for the crashes. The text is: 22 February 1937. Ju 52 07+B40 Blindflugschule Celle. During nocturnal blind-flying mission upon approaching Celle instructor orders leaving safety altitude too soon, neglecting bearings and aircraft hits barn in Baarsen near Bad Pyrmont with full speed. Seven killed, one aircraft destroyed.

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What is that weird aircraft in the background> can it help date the image ?

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I presume you mean the Dornier 11 visible in photo 3?

Cheers
Stig

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Dornier 11 learn something new! Not a great success