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Hohentwiel 31st August 2006 00:51

Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hello,

I'm looking for informations about a crash of the Fw 200
F8+BB. Maybe the a/c had an accident during the start.
The fuselage and/or the wings broke.

Regards,
Sven.

Brian Bines 31st August 2006 14:59

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
I have one F8+BB as shot down by a Hudson on 23-7-1941 ( w.n.0069 ) six crew POW and the Met. man killed. Plus w.n. 0125 shot down 15 km. west of Reykjavik by U.S. fighters on 14-8-1942 crew all missing.

Adam 31st August 2006 15:06

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Brian,

I have 0061 as having been lost on 21/5/41 off the coast of Portugal with the Vkz of F8+KL. See also: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=5867

Regards

Adam

Brian Bines 31st August 2006 16:08

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Thanks Adam I have corrected the loss on 23-7-41 to 0069, with 0061 being lost off the coast of Portugal on 15-06-41 ( previously damaged on 21-05-41 ),
Regards
Brian

Andreas Brekken 31st August 2006 16:31

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi, Brian and Adam

Please see link for the loss record of this aircraft:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=109433

The aircraft Werknummer was originally reported as being 67, but then corrected to 0069. I suspect that your 61 comes from a bad copy of the loss record, Brian.

I see that I haven't updated this loss record after I got a better copy myself, so I will do this with regards to the name of the co-pilot.

Regards,
Andreas

Hohentwiel 31st August 2006 16:52

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hello Andreas,

do you have another loss for F8+BB?
I know a photos of the F8+BB lying on the airfield,
broken wings and the bombs around the plane,
so I guess that the a/c crashed when starting!
We have no complete loss in this case.

Regards,
Sven.

Brian Bines 31st August 2006 17:10

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi Andreas,
I have noted Ofw. Josef Raczak as the other Ff. of this F8+BB do you know if this is correct,
Regards
Brian

Adam 1st September 2006 01:25

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi Guys,

While sorting out W.Nr confusions, which of these is correct?:

12/3/43 - F8+IK WNr., 128 100%
19/3/43 - F8+IK WNr., 128 100% Pilot Uffz. Schlebach

TIA

Adam

Brian Bines 1st September 2006 19:34

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi Adam,
All I have on 12-3-43 is 0133 60% damaged in T/O accident at Merignac (from notes). For the 19th.I have a copy of the verlustlisten which gives F8+IK w/n 0128 crew of Oblt. Erich Schlebach missing,
Regards
Brian

Adam 2nd September 2006 01:49

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Thanks Brian, although I have 133 as 60% damaged in a landing accident at Vaernes on 26.8.42 (which I always though constituded a total loss). There must be something seriously wrong with my data entry skills!

Andreas Brekken 2nd September 2006 15:54

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi guys!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Bines
Hi Andreas,
I have noted Ofw. Josef Raczak as the other Ff. of this F8+BB do you know if this is correct,
Regards
Brian

Yes, I have now checked my records, the last name of this pilot was Raczak:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=109433

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam
Hi Guys,

While sorting out W.Nr confusions, which of these is correct?:

12/3/43 - F8+IK WNr., 128 100%
19/3/43 - F8+IK WNr., 128 100% Pilot Uffz. Schlebach

TIA

Adam

Regarding WNr 128, I have not been able to find a loss for this aircraft on 12.03.1943, but have this record for 19.03.1943:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=109602


Regards,
Andreas

Hohentwiel 2nd September 2006 17:34

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
And where are the informations about "my" F8+BB????
I'm always reading about F8+IK and that's not
the a/c I'm really interested in..

Andreas Brekken 2nd September 2006 23:57

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi, Hohentwiel

Well, chances are that it could prove difficult to find 'your' F8+BB, as the situation might well be that the loss you have seen a photographs of is one of a number of 'anonymous' losses when concerning the aircraft code.

As you will notice, the only situation were the codes are mentioned in the GenQu lists are when the aircraft and crew is considered missing. The other source for codes are usually the Namentliche Verlustemeldungen. So - given that your aircraft were damaged on an airfield it would not be posted missing, and if the crew were unhurt, there will be no Namentliche Verlustemeldung. So, your only hope then would be other sources or maybe a date on the back of the photograph...

And as the codes were reused - you cannot be certain that another loss for an aircraft with a known Werkenummer is the one you are looking for!

Regards,
Andreas

Hohentwiel 3rd September 2006 00:31

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Hi Andreas,

thank you very much for your answer. I hope it is possible
to find more new informations later. I only can say that the
photo was taken between 7.40 and 10.42 in Bordeaux-Merignac.
The a/c flew only one mission against England before (documented
at the rudder). And at 2 photos in an old Podzun-Pallas magazine
(Waffenarsenal 131) we can see the nickname "Jupiter" at the nose
of the F8+BB. Is this a help?

Regards,
Sven.

Adam 3rd September 2006 09:51

Re: Fw 200 F8+BB of KG 40
 
Thanks Andreas. It at least solves one puzzle :)


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