Luftwaffe bomber losses , Normandy 1944
 

Dear fellows ,
Should I dare some more with casualties ?

- 3/4 July 1944 : crashed at Crasville la Mallet . Fate of crew unknown .

- 5/6 July 1944 : crashed at Gaillefontaine , 1 killed .

- 10/11 July 1944 : crashed at Héberville . 5 killed .

- 26/27 July 1944 : crashed at St Aubin les Elbeuf . 4 killed .

- 28/29 July 1944 : crashed at Trouville-Alliquerville . 5 killed .

- 10/11 August 1944 : crashed at Hautot St Sulpice . 4 killed .

WkNr , unit and crew would be most appreciated !
Thank you ,
Zorglub

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The problem with Normandy is the NVMs are many and have few details. The intelligence reports can be the best source but again with so much going on, not all crashes were investigated. A type, name or unit might help as like Matti I have all the NVMs for this period. For example, the only reports I have 28-29 July 1944 which mention locations are a Ju 88 S-3 of 4./KG 30 at Foret de Cerisy, a Ju 88 A-4 of 1./KG 54 4 miles SE St Lo, a Do 217 of 1./KG 2 NE St Lo, a Ju 88 S-3 of 6./KG 30 NE St Lo, another one 1 mile east of Lison, another south of St Lo and a Ju 88 A-4 of 7./KG 54 at Le Vey

Aircraft types for Luftwaffe bomber losses , Normandy 1944 ?
 

Why not mention the aircraft types involved? Are they unknown too?

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Hi Zorglub,

A possible candidate for 5/6 July 1944.

From Jan Horn, Der Flurschaden-Geschwader ..., (2010), p. 49:

"Um 02:35 Uhr des 6. Juli 1944 wird die Me 410 A-1/U2 (9K+CP; Werk-Nr. 420 670) von Uffz. Hans-Joachim Ziegler, 6./KG 51, bei Anneray, 8 km. sudostlich Troarn und 23 km ostsudostlich Caen, in 2,300 m. Hohe durch diese "Mosquito" angriffen und abgeschossen. Ziegler wird dabei getotet. Sein bordfunker Uffz Rudolf Mayer uberlebt verletzt durch Fallschirmabsprung und geht in Gefangenschaft.

best regards,

Jim

Re: Luftwaffe bomber losses , Normandy 1944
 

Where is this info coming from if you don't mind me asking?

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Hi ,
These came from the french gendarmerie reports . So no type of aircraft , only date and fate of crew when known .
However thanks for your interest .
I wonder about crews of 5 : either He111 or He177 ?

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He 111s were not being used for bombing but resupply I believe. Too vulnerable

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6/7 July
1944-07-06, 5./NJG 4, Ju 88 G-1, 711126, 25 km nordwestlich Beauvais
Flugzeugführer Oblt Christiner, Ferdinand, +
Bordfunker Oblt Kath, Siegfried, verletzt
Bordschütze Uffz Zechberger, Friedrich,verletzt
Absturz nach Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.

10/11 July
1944-07-09, 8./KG 3, He 111 H-16, 161306, 5K+BS, Doudeville, 11 km nordnordöstlich Yvetot
Flugzeugführer Fw Alisch, Gerhard, +
Kampfbeobachter Uffz Witzel, Karl-Heinz, +
Bordfunker Fw Haaren, Engelbert, +
Bordwart Uffz Bohlscheid, Josef, +
Bordschütze Uffz Heimann, Werner, +
Absturz. Bruch 100 %.

26/27 July
1944-07-26, 5./KG 6, Ju 88 A-4, Arnieres, 52 km südlich Rouen
Flugzeugführer Ofw Rachel, Franz, +
Beobachter Obgfr Richter, Karl, +
Bordfunker Gefr Wilde, Wolfgang, +
Bordschütze Gefr Temme, Georg, +
Absturz infolge Beschuß von Mosquito der 409 Sqn. Bruch 100 %.

28/29 July
1944-07-29, 7./KG 3, He 111 H-16, 160923, 5K+ER, Trouville, 12 km südwestlich Yvetot
Flugzeugführer Uffz Schmidt, Karl, +
Kampfbeobachter Fw März, Adam, +
Bordfunker Gefr Behrendt, Hans, +
Bordwart Uffz Haas, Franz, +
Bordschütze Uffz Bondarenko, Ernst, +
Absturz. Bruch 100 %.

10/11 Aug
1944-08-10, 3./KG 54, Ju 88 A-4, 8741, B3+BL, 28 km südöstlich Fècamp
Flugzeugführer Oblt Röll, Walter, +
Kampfbeobachter Obgfr Letzel, Adolf, +
Bordfunker Ofw Baier, Wilhelm, +
Bordschütze Fw Reese, Johannes, +
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

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They were used for supply drops but also for V-1 launches against Portsmouth and Southampton.

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Matti ... you're the best , unbelievable . Very many thanks !

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Matti , shame on me .
The plane lost at St Aubin les Elbeuf : it was 25/26 July . Crashed on 16 Paul Doumer street . Do you have it ?

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I think the loss of 5/KG 6, Ofw Rachel was during the night 25/26 July.

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Nope. The nearest is:
1944-07-25, 4./KG 6, Ju 88 A-4, Beaumont-le-Roger, 65 km südöstlich Le Havre
Flugzeugführer Uffz Keller, Günter, +
Kampfbeobachter Obgfr Kühn, Werner, +
Bordfunker Obgfr Uibelhör, Erich, +
Bordschütze Gefr Ötting, Karl-Heinz, +
Absturz infolge Beschuß von Mosquito der 409 Sqn. Bruch 100 %.

Could your loss be an Allied aircraft?

Matti

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Shame again ... Wellington ME929 , 69 Squadron . I was too enthusiast .

Well done Matti .