Unknown wreckage
 

Hello Experts,

I ask you for help. I was handed out a photo with an unknown wreckage.
Probably it was not an army plane, but could have flown during WWII. earlier or later.
Gerhard Stemmer thinks it was a Hungarian plane, maybe a Savoia Marchetti.
A handwriting in German says : St. Anton, Schwarze Wand (Black Wall).

Can you give any more info, according to your experience?

Many thx for your suggestions in advance.
ginamod

Re: Unknown wreckage
 

The shape of the fin and rudder points to a Savoia Marchetti of some kit, but if there are other clues visible (flap sizes, dihedral?) I can't identify them.

Re: Unknown wreckage
 

St. Anton
 

It's probably not useful but I feel that St. Anton (Sankt Anton) sounds Austrian so this accident would have happened in Austria. "Schwarze Wand" is the precise location where it took place: "Black Face" (a mountain face).

Re: Unknown wreckage
 

Possibly, Schnautzer is right, we could see some figures in the wreck, something like 5 nd 82 the Si204 that crashed on 17.th of March 44, was 251082 ....VA+ZG, started from Prag-Rusin at 15h05...



Rémi

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This is actually the wreckage of the Potez 25A2 No.1 which crashed into Isabelle glacier when returning to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes from the 2nd Flying Meeting in Zurich on 24 August 1927. Both the pilot Dragomir Pajević and observer Živorad Petrović succumbed to their wounds.


Boris

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A brilliant theory collapse !!

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Before my
final remark to the great solution by Boris Ciglic,
just the question: Where is the Isabelle Glacier?
No google answer found. Switzerland ???

So long
ginamod

Re: Unknown wreckage
 

Three aspects to Ciglic ´s solution:

Ciglic s great photo is undoubtedly referring to my photo. It is our crash.


His time data should be correct,
the crash is not mentioned under Safty Network. Attachment.

Surprisingly the Izabel (Isabelle) galcier could be found until now.

Who can comment? Thx.
ginamod

St. Anton?
 

I still suspect it could be this one:

Found at Wikipedia (English): - There are more search results -

St Anton am Arlberg

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sankt Anton am Arlberg in February 2016

Sankt Anton am Arlberg is located in Austria

Coordinates: 47°07′N 10°16′ECoordinates: 47°07′N 10°16′E
Country Austria
State Tyrol
District Landeck

Area[1]
• Total 165.81 km2 (64.02 sq mi)
Elevation 1,304 m (4,278 ft)
Population (2018-01-01)[2]
• Total 2,372
• Density 14/km2 (37/sq mi)
Time zone UTC+1 (CET)
• Summer (DST) UTC+2 (CEST)
Postal code
6580
Area code 05446
Vehicle registration LA
Website www.stantonamarlberg.com

(There is a photograph) St. Anton seen from the main piste into the centre of town.
Sankt Anton am Arlberg, commonly referred to as St. Anton, is a village and ski resort in the Austrian state of Tyrol. It lies in the Tyrolean Alps, with aerial tramways and chairlifts up to 2,811 m (9,222 ft), yielding a vertical drop of 1,507 m (4,944 ft). It is also a popular summer resort among hikers, trekkers and mountaineers.

Re: Unknown wreckage
 

rof 120,
I appreciated your ideas on St. Anton,
but be sure, there was no other crash than that from 17th March 1944, a Siebel 204 plane. Snautzer sent a link to this crash.
All 5 German crew killed and buried.
No other crash in Arlberg area known.
Best
ginamod

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Hello!

According to Serbian wikipedia, the poor guy crashed in the Vorarlberg; he was accompanied by his boss (Lt Col Petrović), coming back from the meeting in Zurich.
They encountered bad weather almost immediately after take off and the Vorarlberg were the first serious mountains on their path.
After they crashed, they were alive, but Pajevic was seriiously wounded; the colonel tried to find help, to die frozen less than 1 km from a guard post.
The pilot was found very seriously wounded by german tourists, and transported to Feldkirch town (between Voralrberg group of mountains and Zurich), where he died from his injuries.
I suspect very much the glacier Isabella has been gone for a good time, which explains maybe its absence of mention on the Net.

Cordially

JV

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Hello JVMasset,

thx for your clarifying contribution. I found it by chance because I leaerned, that my final sumary on the crash had been moved (removed ?) or calcelled. It vanished.

No idea why.
I send you a private message with my results. OK?
Greetings
ginamod