Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are two photos of Beuteflugzeuge at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/ww2-FOTO-Fie...gAAOSwpjxgEt6Y

https://www.ebay.de/itm/ww2-FOTO-Ita...gAAOSwLc5gEtvU

The second is a Macchi C.200

The first with Galland a de Havilland Puss Moth?

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Certainly looks like a Puss Moth.

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are some further Beuteflugzeuge as follows:

Avia B.534

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...MAAOSwH8VgFIUR

FBA 17

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...MAAOSwUdBgFH~C

Caudron C.275 Luciole

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...0AAOSwanxgFHf8

LeO 451

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...gAAOSw1rBgFHZ6

Letov S.328

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...4AAOSwxFRgFHTZ

Praga E.39 SB+SG

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...cAAOSwLQtgFHDl

In order that I'm not posting photos that have already been seen, could someone let me know if these are not original.In which case I can avoid linking to this seller in future.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Clint

Very nice finds again.
Some of the photos have been seen before, but a couple of others are at least new to me.

Highlight was the Luciole which surely must be sporting its French c/n on the fuselage. Pity it cannot be blown up a bit....grrrr :)

The same seller also has a lot of civil registered aircraft, which I am sure you also have seen.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Thanks Clint

#3 link 3, Luciole ; 7881 : could it be the c/n ? If yes we have 7881 = F-ARJF


Attachment 20270

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Hello Stig & Bertrand,

Thanks for the replies . Yes, the reaon that I captioned the photo as a C.275 rather than any other Luciole variant was because I'd checked volume 1 of Hauet's Les Avions Caudron and 7881 does indeed fit F-ARJF. Can you decipher the number on the tail Bertrand, it looks different to 7881?

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Well Bertrand

In your own opinion, could it actually be anything else?
I cannot think of any other reason but as is quite usual, once you started on a theory it is very tough to think outside the box....:o

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of a captured Ilyushin DB-3 exhibited in Hamburg, with strange underwing stars:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...gAAOSwzM5gGvXn

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are photos of the following Beuteflugzeuge:

Liore et Olivier Leo.451 GK+VX

ttps://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEUG-BEUTE-LEO-451-LUFTWAFFE-GK-VX-WITH-CANNON/124560988481?hash=item1d0069d941:g:WCgAAOSwA2tgHY3 ~

Zlin Z.XII

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...wAAOSw46JgHYwy

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hi, With ref to #8 I believe the DB-3 was on loan from Finland and the exhibt was in Berlin I have more pics of this info on my other machine and will post when next on line, The stars are applied and cover Richlien numbers (sorry spelling is suffering to night couple Vets getting together...)

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are photos of the following Beuteflugzeuge:

Decoy Dewoitine D.373

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...kAAOSwVQZgHcZD

North American NA.57 DS+PA

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...IAAOSwuDlgHeId

Caproni Ca.100

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...wAAOSwn5pgHdtZ

Savoia Marchetti SM.82 VE+**

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...8AAOSw7AZgHdW0

Savoia Marchetti SM.95

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...MAAOSwAQdgHdoB

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Clint

How can you be sure the D.373 are just that and not D.376 (or a mix between the two)?

The NA-57 looks like a NAA-64 unless they have switched tails for some reason.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello Stig,

Fair comment on the D.373/D376.Also you're correct it does very much look like a NA.64 tail. In both cases I posted without checking.

Regards,

Clint

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G'day, here is the info on The DB-3 The text file only show related info, There is other info that proves the location as Berlin that you can find on the net pics show the 5+8 code.
Regards

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Hello Kaiyan,

I trust your head is ok after last night? Nice that you were able to meet up in the prevailing atmosphere.

Thanks very much for the correct location and the information contained in the various attachments. Bizarre that they applied such 'inauthentic' stars, but I suppose, after all there was a war on at the time and they had more important things to worry about:)

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hi, Yes it was a very good evening and within the rules .. the head gets used to these events... Anyway digging around my hard drive came up with these two bits of info.. first is a view of the same Aircraft at a different location, they were trucked around to various displays slowing falling apart, second a copy of an old LEMB discussion ... cant seem to up load last will convert to text and try again later
take care

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here's a raw txt file..

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hi Kaiyan,

Thanks for both attachments.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

I'm not sure if this is original,and nor is the seller, but I haven't seen it before - a LWS 3 surrounded by German troops can be seen at:

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-Foto-2...EAAOSwLIhgIs6o

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are the following Beuteflugzeuge:


Consolidated B-24 Liberator


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-B-...oAAOSwB5tgJs9E


A member of the Potez 630 series. Type ?


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-W...EAAOSwGmlgBPa1


Also on ebay is a photo of a captured Greek Airforce Blenheim B 268


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-RH...UAAOSwoP1gJtt0



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Clint

Even if I never liked the French guillotine, I am old enough to stick my neck out. Very little to loose, come to think of it.....:o

The Potez is interesting, and the digits 09 under the wing leads me in the direction they are part of the former French serial number X-709, a Type 630.
All other serial numbers ending with 09 simply does not fit.

I am still waiting for someone in France to come out with a "final" book about this twin-engine type, but I cannot come up with anything better.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello Stig,

Many thanks. I don't think you've over exposed yourself and I'm grateful for the information. Totally agree something, by say Lela press, after the nature of their other books focusing on a single french aircraft type would be great.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are photos of the following aircraft :

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...MAAOSwqvFgMC5s

Savoia Marchetti SM.82

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...cAAOSwnbxgMCy9

Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are the following photos:

Caudron C.275 Luciole ex F-ARLO

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...IAAOSw1O9gM-ZW

Caudron C.445 RC+*N

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...cAAOSwYoxgM-nn

Morane Saulnier MS.230 BI+TZ

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...8AAOSw7AxgM-mG

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of a Handley Page Hampden in Luftwaffe markings at:

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...AAAOSwZylgNW4R

I'm not sure if this image is well known, hopefully new to some viewers anyway as it was to me.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay are two photos of a Breguet Bre.693 KQ+** at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/284413426944...cAAOSwXzlhG4eY

https://www.ebay.de/itm/274909005703...cAAOSwjuthG4sN

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Thanks for sharing Clint
The Stkz belong to the KQ+Z series (the lower part of the Z can just be made out on the 2nd photo)

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Thanks Tom,


I note that Stammkennzeichen.de has KQ+ZC with FFS C 2 in January 1941. Do any other units come into consideration? The same site has no unit affiliation for KQ+ZE.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a member of the Hanriot H.180 family in Luftwaffe markings at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646003206?hash=item5256f1c406:g:ZKQAAOSwgR5hKQj a

Caudron C.445 at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646028638?hash=item5256f2275e:g:cn8AAOSwcOFhKQ6 I


and a Caudron C.635 Simoun at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646001340?hash=item5256f1bcbc:g:Y1wAAOSwe3phKQg i

Caudron C.714

https://www.ebay.it/itm/353645998350...sAAOSw4LhhKQcs

https://www.ebay.it/itm/353646000371...0AAOSwixhhKQeb


Curtiss H.75A Hawk at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646031554?hash=item5256f232c2:g:ZrYAAOSwYpFhKQ9 B

https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646030812?hash=item5256f22fdc:g:Dp4AAOSwTa5hKQ7 b


and a Morane Saulnier MS.230 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646017990?hash=item5256f1fdc6:g:S-8AAOSwcpNhKQyU


Or is it,the wheelcovers are rather unusual.

North American NAA.57 at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/353646033679?hash=item5256f23b0f:g:x1AAAOSwFEdhKQ-G





Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

I would list this as a MS230 - most aircraft that you see have the usual unfettered wheels the wheel-spats do seem to give it an usual look though.
But if any of the French experts can help I would be most grateful -Thanks

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

The Hanriot is most likely to be a H.182. Nice to see more than one is a photo.

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

The Curtiss H.75s & NAA 57s have unusually small fuselage Balkenkreuz so my opinion is that they are only temporary.

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello Tom,

Thanks for the reponses. It would indeed be useful to have someone with a greater degree of experise than myself cast their eyes over the Morane Saulnier photo and give an opinion on the machines identity. I've subsequently looked at both Icare's Les Rois de Parasol Morane Saulnier 1918-1968 and Lacaze's Morane Saulnier book and like yourdelf I'm still not 100% certain.

Meanwhile here's another french machine, albeit not a great photo, the Caudron C.870 is on ebay at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/185020758186...AAAOSwN6BhKecF

Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a nice photo of a Fokker T.VIII-W of SAGr.126 at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/154606812342...MAAOSweNJhPPWr

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Also bumped as TOCH's village idiot has duplicated this post too.

Regards,

Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay there are photos of a Bristil Blenheim BG+GQ at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/363601038186...YAAOSwlqRhfXBk

https://www.ebay.de/itm/363601051126...kAAOSw7sFhfXFX

https://www.ebay.de/itm/363601054410...4AAOSwwZphfXGB

Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hello,

Very interesting pictures showing Blenheim IVF, from RAF N°254 Sqdn which did an emergency landing on 28th March 1942 on a beach close to Morgat (South of Brest), because of a technical problem. The crew, Fl/Sgt. A.G. Parnell (pilot), Sgt. H.J. Mullineaux and Sgt. A.T. Price, were captured, unharmed. The aircraft was afterwards used by the Luftwaffe for training (Fluglehreschule Brandeburg-Briest)

These pictures were taken at the Brest-Lanveoc airfield.

Pierre

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Of course, my previous post (# 37) concerned the post # 36 from musec04.

Pierre

Re: Photos Beuteflugzeuge
 

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for you kind and informative response.

Is anyone aware of any other Blenheims flown by the Luftwaffe?

Regards,

Clint

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Clint

There is said to be one coded 5+5 at Rechlin md 1940, thought to have been captured in France

Tony