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Chris Goss 17th February 2021 09:49

Nachtaufklärungsstaffel Operations
 
Has any account of the operations of these 4 staffel been published? I have the potted histories (which are thin) but from what I can see, 51 aircrew were awarded the DKiG and one, Hptm Franz Kustaz, the RK which is quite impressive. Matti has been helpful with the losses (they flew Do 17, Do 217 and He 111 but in very small numbers) but am I missing something?

Nick Beale 17th February 2021 09:55

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All I can offer is these four Do 217s of 1.(F)/Nacht that were found at Zeltweg, Austria: http://www.ghostbombers.com/miscella.../zeltweg3.html

gogh 17th February 2021 17:20

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Post 2# for Nick Beale K7+DH has the same WNr. as K7+HH an typo ?

Nick Beale 17th February 2021 17:46

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Originally Posted by gogh (Post 302420)
Post 2# for Nick Beale K7+DH has the same WNr. as K7+HH an typo ?

There's a note on the page, in red letters on a white background: "[Duplicated Werk Nummer, as in original report]".

ju55dk 17th February 2021 18:21

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Also Ju 188.
Junker

Chris Goss 17th February 2021 18:44

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...and Ju 88 but Dorniers and Heinkels seemed to be the aircraft of choice

Chris Goss 18th February 2021 11:24

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Matti has kindly send me a list of their aircraft-just one Ju 88 A-4, one Ju 88 D-1 and a single Ju 188 are listed. Rest are Do 17 M, P, Z; He 111 P-2, H-5, H-6, H-11, H-16; Do 217 E-4, K-1, M-1, N-1; Do 215 B-4, B-5

Brian Bines 18th February 2021 13:50

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According to another site and GQM page 10 dated 30.4.43 Ju 88 D-1 F6+EM 430449 of 4.Nachtaufklärungsstaffel was lost on 10.4.43 with FF Ltn Horst Dietrich , B Ltn Kurt Faust , Bf Uffz Johann Kutner and Bm Ofw Wilhelm Klingenberg all missing . Comments from the other site added that they fell to two P-39s of 298 IAP making a belly landing 45 km. NW of Tihoreck with crew taken prisoner .

Horst Dietrich b. 23-3-22 shown in Luftwaffe Officers Career Summaries as being in 4.Nachtaufklärungsstaffel

ju55dk 18th February 2021 14:22

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Ju 188 D-2: K7+BK and K7+CK april 1945.
Junker

Laurent Rizzotti 18th February 2021 15:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Bines (Post 302451)
According to another site and GQM page 10 dated 30.4.43 Ju 88 D-1 F6+EM 430449 of 4.Nachtaufklärungsstaffel was lost on 10.4.43 with FF Ltn Horst Dietrich , B Ltn Kurt Faust , Bf Uffz Johann Kutner and Bm Ofw Wilhelm Klingenberg all missing . Comments from the other site added that they fell to two P-38s of 298 IAP making a belly landing 45 km. NW of Tihoreck with crew taken prisoner .

Horst Dietrich b. 23-3-22 shown in Luftwaffe Officers Career Summaries as being in 4.Nachtaufklärungsstaffel

Guess you mean two P-39s of 298 IAP.

ju55dk 18th February 2021 15:16

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Einsatzbereitschaft 6. april 1945:

2/(F) Nacht: Do 217 M, 9-5, Ju 188 D-2, 3-1 and Ju 88 A-4, 3-2.
4/(F) Nacht: Do 217 M, 8-2 and Ju 188 D, 1-0.

Junker

ju55dk 18th February 2021 15:52

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Operation of 2/(F) Nacht night 6-7 april 1945.
3 Do 217
12 SD 70 on motor vehicles south of Deutsch-Krone, shooting at a vehicle on road Naugard-Stargard. It was claimed destroyed. 8 SD 70 on vehicles at railway station Landsberg. Damage not observed. Dropping 122000 leaflets.

Junker

Larry deZeng 18th February 2021 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 302402)
Has any account of the operations of these 4 staffel been published? I have the potted histories (which are thin) but from what I can see, 51 aircrew were awarded the DKiG and one, Hptm Franz Kustaz, the RK which is quite impressive. Matti has been helpful with the losses (they flew Do 17, Do 217 and He 111 but in very small numbers) but am I missing something?

Chris -

Some 30 years ago, I was in frequent touch with Werner Horst, a retired Oberst from the Luftwaffe and Bundesluftwaffe. He was the president of the Association of Aufklärungsflieger Veterans. The association had a comprehensive archive covering all of the wartime Aufklärungs units, and I know for a fact that this included all 4 of the Nachtaufklärungsstaffeln. The members were encouraged to write these and they are based on personal papers, Flugbücher and memories. Werner Horst, who lived in Bonn at the time, passed away years ago, but if you could find out what happened to the Association's archive, which at the time was in his possession, it would be a rich lode for the researcher.

L.

ju55dk 18th February 2021 17:27

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They did operate untill the very end. LFK Nordost.
BAMA
Junker

Chris Goss 19th February 2021 08:42

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Junker, Larry
Thanks for this-fascinating. My interest understandably is Do 217. Would not know where to track down this archive-maybe someone else has a lead?

Del Davis 19th February 2021 18:23

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Chris
Harald Rabeder is a member of this board and maybe he could respond. He runs a website called Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Association and has published 2 books on (F)123. He may be able to assist. Also I had a Nachtaufklärungsstaffel photo album that I sold several years ago but I still have scans of all the photos including several Do-217s, if you are interested. I have been hoping that someone would write a history of this unit for a long time.

Chris Goss 24th February 2021 08:42

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Del-thanks for this. I am already making contact with Harald and would be most interested in seeing scans of said photos

Siko54 24th February 2021 10:51

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Hi Chris/chaps, I don't know if this is any help but I have a Flugbuch/Leistungsbuch set to Flieger Gunther Kauschke, who flew (this may not be 100% correct as I have 2 differing sources) with the following units as Ju88/188 recon pilot: 4.(F)/AufklGr14, ErgSt (F) Nacht, ErgGr (F) Rahmel, 4. (F) 14, 2.(F) Nacht and FAGr.2.

Chris Goss 24th February 2021 12:52

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Thanks Si-just one Do 217 trip and even that was not an operational one!

Siko54 24th February 2021 13:08

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Yes I know! Quite an interesting career though and lots of long-range night recon missions in his Ju188 over the Eastern front, last mission was 1 May 1945. I'm trying to fathom out his career and it's horrifically confusing - appears that he gets sent back for further training at one stage but guess we'll never know.


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