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Bombphoon 20th July 2021 16:23

KG3 unit history?
 
Does anyone know if there was a published unit history for Kampfgeschwader 3 or where/if its records exist please? Thanks.

Chris Goss 27th July 2021 23:50

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
No such book has been written

Larry deZeng 28th July 2021 18:07

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
KG 1, KG 3, KG 30, KG 40, KG 76? and KG 77 are the six "Traditions-" Kampfgeschwader that served during the entire war (give or take a few months at the beginning and end) for which no published unit histories exist, possibly because of insufficient surviving records and, perhaps, the lack of a postwar veteran's group or at least one strong enough to effectively lobby for a published unit history. Also, a number of "wartime" KGs that only existed for part of the war lack published unit histories, e.g., KG 28 and KG 66.

L.

Chris Goss 28th July 2021 18:23

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
….and KG 40 would be a big undertaking with He 111, He 177, Do 217, Ju 88, Fw 200. My 2 books only scratched the surface. KG 66 is still a possibility but lack of veterans now make others very hard to write

Bombphoon 28th July 2021 23:04

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 308559)
….and KG 40 would be a big undertaking with He 111, He 177, Do 217, Ju 88, Fw 200. My 2 books only scratched the surface. KG 66 is still a possibility but lack of veterans now make others very hard to write

KG40 would be still very interesting nonetheless, with a great range of classic aircraft employed...

Nick Beale 29th July 2021 07:40

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng (Post 308556)
KG 1, KG 3, KG 30, KG 40, KG 76? and KG 77 are the six "Traditions-" Kampfgeschwader that served during the entire war (give or take a few months at the beginning and end) for which no published unit histories exist ….

L.

… leaving lots of scope for any enterprising member(s) of this forum to start work! You have nothing to lose by trying (except all your spare time for an indefinite number of years, of course).

Larry deZeng 29th July 2021 14:54

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
How true! Plus a wad of money along the way!

L.

Bombphoon 29th July 2021 14:58

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
...not forgetting the most important element, being able to sprechen sie deutsch (along with 'Achtung Spitfeuer!', that's about the most German I know, unfortunately).

FalkeEins 30th July 2021 18:32

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 308585)
… leaving lots of scope for any enterprising member(s) of this forum to start work!

not sure if Ulf Balke posts here, but IIRC he may have already written up a KG 77 'history'..

edwest2 30th July 2021 18:46

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 308585)
… leaving lots of scope for any enterprising member(s) of this forum to start work! You have nothing to lose by trying (except all your spare time for an indefinite number of years, of course).


Well put Nick. But what else is spare time for? :)

Chris Goss 31st July 2021 12:56

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
A KG 77 history was being drawn up (by the Traditionsgemeninschaft some years ago) but all I have seen is a list of bases, St Kap and RK-winners. Whether it was by Ulf I do not know

Marcel van Heijkop 2nd August 2021 14:39

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 308559)
… KG 66 is still a possibility ..

Working on it! ;) May take some years, but definitely worth the wait! :)

Marcel

edwest2 2nd August 2021 19:04

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Spoken like a true researcher, Marcel.

Best,
Ed

Marcel van Heijkop 2nd August 2021 23:56

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Thanks Ed! It will probably have the largest amount of Ju 88 S-1 and S-3 photos you have ever seen in a unit history, I think :)

Marcel

Siko54 12th October 2022 19:45

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Well that’s a shame there is no history of KG3 - I’ve just bought a Flugbuch and document set to a 5./KG3 flieger. His FFS in Gold urkunde shows he saw a lot of action and his Flugbuch looks like it has nearly 200 Feindflug in at least.

Nick Beale 12th October 2022 22:24

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Siko54 (Post 323538)
Well that’s a shame there is no history of KG3 - I’ve just bought a Flugbuch and document set to a 5./KG3 flieger. His FFS in Gold urkunde shows he saw a lot of action and his Flugbuch looks like it has nearly 200 Feindflug in at least.

Sounds like you’ve got a head start for writing a KG 3 history then!

Siko54 13th October 2022 05:07

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 323540)
Sounds like you’ve got a head start for writing a KG 3 history then!

:D I’d better get cracking then

Nick Beale 13th October 2022 09:01

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Siko54 (Post 323545)
:D I’d better get cracking then

… to hit the shops in time for Christmas!

FalkeEins 13th October 2022 10:50

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
...pad it out with a few extracts from this issue of Der Landser - despite the cover these are stories from II./KG 3 during the summer of 1941 (Barbarossa). With four or five 'Starts' a day it would have been 'easy' to rack up a fair few Feindflüge

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...%20Landser.jpg

..and there are pics in that very expensive French archive

Bombphoon 14th October 2022 00:29

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FalkeEins (Post 323550)
...pad it out with a few extracts from this issue of Der Landser - despite the cover these are stories from II./KG 3 during the summer of 1941 (Barbarossa). With four or five 'Starts' a day it would have been 'easy' to rack up a fair few Feindflüge

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...%20Landser.jpg

..and there are pics in that very expensive French archive

I have a few old issues of Der Landser but was led to believe most of it was fiction?

Larry deZeng 14th October 2022 00:53

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
More like "popular" men's magazines found in barbershops and on newsstands of the 1950s and 1960s. NOT fiction, but far from scholarly history. The personal accounts are not checked against documents and vetted.

L. deZ.

FalkeEins 14th October 2022 10:48

Re: KG3 unit history?
 
I know some Luftwaffe enthusiasts turn their noses up at these 'comic-book' style booklets but I quite enjoy them - and they provide some neat accounts unavailable elsewhere - NJG 1 Bordfunker Kurt Bundrock's memoir is just one example. KG 6 Ju-88 Beobachter Dieter Wille's "...Erinnerungen.." is another....More here
http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2013/1...-kampf-am.html


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