Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of what I believe to be a Heinkel HD 38 at:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/384341697030...4AAOSwaIVhHoq1

Has anyone the full registration? Is the machine shown D-IHUX perhaps?

Regards,

Clint

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

D-IHUX was Heinkel HD38C W.Nr. 17255 that was serving with 1./136 in February 1935.

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I have D-IHUX several times as Ar 66 from Flugbuch entries and a W.Nr. 17255 did not exist for the HD 38.

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Luftwaffe took on strength 12 HD38/He 38. It is referred to as the He 38 at least from early 1935 and onwards. All delivered befor 30 September 1934.
W.Nr. F.63, F.64, F.79 (D-INYH) and F.81, all delivrered by Arado.
Heinkel production was He 38 W.Nr. 368, 369, 385, 386, 387 (D-IXAH), 388, 389 (D-IQYV) and 390. The source used for these W.Nummern is very strong.
All these aircraft could be operated on wheels or floats as necessary.

From another source I have also W.Nr. 17254 as D-IPIL and 17255 as D-IHUX, both as HD 38 aircraft. I must admit that I am on thin ice here.

The He 38a prototype I have as W.Nr. 320 D-1609.

Comments please.

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hi. From what I can see, if the letter betweeen the two men is an 'X' (which it looks like) then it cannot be the final letter - not enough space. Unfortunately the sellers mark hides quite a bit but it appears as if there is an a letter partially visible between the man on the right and the tailplane for which 'H' is a likely match.
There is an HD 38c, D-IXAH, listed in the old LEMB Stkz Database and which was originally D-2340.
Mike

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hi


The 17*** nos are the engine numbers


D-IHUX was c/n 388


Tony

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

I have D-IPIL as Fw 56 WNr. 927 with Aufklärerschule Hildesheim 1936/37 from two different sources.

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Thank you Tony. I believe I saw these W.Nummern in a document with the
W.Nummer/civil code and assumed that it was the factory aircraft number and never even thought about the engine. There you see how easy mistakes can be made.

Do you happen to have a W.Nr. for D-IPIL as well.

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Seaplanes


I had D-IPIL from a flugbuch but sorry no c/n for this one, I had the engine no. though


D-IPLI was later used on a Fw 56 and then on an Ar 66


Tony

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hello,


Thank you to everyone who has taken the trouble to respond so far.


I would like to ask a follow up question. Were any of the He 38 still around anywhere by September 1939?


Thanks also to Nick Beale for moving this thread.I'm very grateful.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

According to Volker Koos there were 16 HD 38 built

One HD 38a WNr 320
Seven HD 38b WNr 366-369, 384, 63-64
Eight HD 38c WNr 385-390, 79, 81

Out of these, one WNr stands out, 385, since it seems to have no history at all
No D-digit reg is known and Volker has nothing on it at all

I checked Barry Rosch's list, and some others as well - nothing!

Cheers
Stig

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I have the same information listed but for W/Nr.385 I have this listed as belonging with Kusten-Jagdstaffel 2/136 - 05.35 at Holtenau as also the following W/Nr.s
387 - 389 - 390
363 - 364 - 370 - (Strangely the last 3 W/Nrs were listed with the pre-fix 3 instead of the Arado 63; 64; 70) However, I am not certain of the source. Can anyone assist?

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Very interesting details Tom, thanks

I am a bit puzzled about your listing of WNr (3)70 since I cannot see how this could be a HD 38

Cheers
Stig

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

The listing of Kusten-Jagdstaffel 2/136 W/Nrs I think must have come from a Unit Strength listing or some other document (my guess? Had these in my data-base for ages)
With this Unit I also have listed W/Nrs 368 & 369 (Sorry forgot to add)
The W/Nrs all refer to Type HD38. If these did come from a document then perhaps the 363 - 364 & 370 were listed as mistakes possibly because the person typing the lists followed the lines of the other W/Ns in the list by adding the 3 in order to match the others!! (I can only guess because I have in my data-base a note saying that the W/Nr is listed as such)

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Thanks for the additional details Tom

At the moment I will treat WNr 370 as a misprint for WNr (3)79.
Sloppy hand writing will no doubt keep us busy until we pass away....

Cheers
Stig

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oops! Old age is right - I put 370 and it should have been 379.

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Ha, ha Tom

We're all moving in that direction..... :)

Cheers
Stig

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I have my infiormation about the 12 He 38 aircraft taken over by the Luftwaffe up to 30 September 1934 from the document B/A M/A RL3/1932: Stand der Übernahme von neuen Flugzeugen durch LA V am 30.9.1934 (Anlage zu LA V Nr. 7080/34 v. 6.11.34.)
H 38 zu liefernde Gesamt Anzahl: 12
Von der Gesamtanzahl waren zu liefern bis 30.9. : 12
Werknummern der bis 30.9. übergebenen Flugzeuge: F63, F.64, 368, 369, F.79, F.81, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390.

We know that the prototype HD/He 38 W.Nr. 320 is not included, which was normal for prototypes. However, the three other Werk-Nummers mentioned by Volker Koos, 366, 367 and 384, I have no knowledge of these to be HD/He 38 aircraft. In any case, they seem not to have been formally taken over by the Luftwaffe.

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hi Björn

Well if you have access to the old German civil register (D-digits), you will find
WNr 366 registered as D-2061 in May 1931. Karl Ries lists it as DBF in Aug 1931
WNr 367 crashed before it was registered 29 Jan 1931 killing its testpilot
WNr 368 thus became D-2062 in October 1931

All very good reasons why neither 366 and 367 never went to the Luftwaffe.

WNr 384 was registered D-2013 in October 1931 and again Ries reports it was destroyed in April 1932.
Again a good reason it was not on your list in 1934

Cheers
Stig

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Stig


Reis copied all his data directly from the NfL , monthly "Noice to Airmen", He made many mistakes in copying, in one instance he missed out 1 a/c and consequently got more wrong

c/n 366 was D-2061 not 2066
D-2066 was a M 23


In Feb 1928 the NfL published a current civil Register, early in 1934 all c/n were omitted



Regards


Tony

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Ooops Tony

In this case Ries did get it right. Looks like I am even worse than Tom....my
mistake....Ries (and Volker Koos) also says D-2061
I guess there are days when not even Specsavers can help you....:o

I will edit my own post

Cheers
Stig

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Post 1 Picture is D-IXAH note the letters above the wing.

What is the serial for D-IDYV an HD38 ?

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Thanks Peter
I had this with W/Nr 389 but clearly it is a typo for D-IQYV.
Does anybody have any other Type with D-IDYV? Thanks

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Peter

I cannot make out any of the letters on top of the wings well enough.
Have you (or if somebody else can) enhanced the photo so I (we) can get a better idea if this is correct or not?

Cheers
Stig

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D-IDYV pictures of EBay
Attachment 20875

Attachment 20876

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and D-IXAH
Attachment 20877

Note that the letters are very large painted on the wing

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Thanks Peter

Admit I still cannot see D-IXAH the way you do, but certainly plausible.

In your first photo from e-bay showing a line up of three HD 38 and what I think is a number of He 51s, D-IXAH is clearly visible as number two in that line.

The third one could well be D-INYH, an Arado built aircraft.

Cheers
Stig

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Thanks Peter for sharing these
D-IDYV now confirmed as a genuine HD38c reg. If we conclude that D-IQYV is also genuine from documentation then this leads only 5 more to find. Easy peasy! Well I can always live in hope.

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Hi Tom,


Well we can always hope more turn up on ebay. Personally I'd like to see one with Stammkennzeichen. Well I can always dream...


Regards,


Clint

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Clint,

the latest flying activites with a HD 38 I have listed in 1936. That well three years before the Stammkennzeichen were introduced.

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One that can probably be ruled out quickly is D-IFIL.
According to:
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_D-a12.html
it was an He45, but there is a note "also reported as HD38"

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

I have no way of verifying what D-IFIL was myself, except that it sounds a bit like a mistake somewhere with the already known D-IPIL (see post 7 to 9)

Oddly enough D-IPIL is nowhere to be seen, either in Golden Years or the civil registration created by Peter Gogh, even though it seemingly was carried by three different aircraft. Gerhard even comes up with a WNr for one them.

Puzzling

Cheers
Stig

Re: Heinkel HD38 Photo?
 

Hello Moderator,


If you check earlier in this thread you will observe that I thank Nick Beale for moving this thread from the interwar board to the Luftwaffe board.



Sorry, I don't know who is moderating at the moment or I would address you by off board and by name. But my key point is that you do not seem to have been informed by Nick that he was ok with moving this thread. Could you please return it to the Luftwaffe board.


Regards,


Clint