Has Eagles over Europe project folded and images beeing sold off?
 

https://www.ebay.de/sch/50944b25/m.html?item=154669237250&hash=item2403014402%3Ag%3 ATU4AAOSw7LhhQRO5&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

If I remember correctly many of the images by this sellar remind me of this.
Has this project folded?

Ed

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I’ve wondered too, but given the long delays we’ve seen with the “Eagles Over The Pacific” project (still a long way from finished), and now the passing of Lawrence Hickey, I’d say, not a chance……

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Missed that news,

RIP (stand corrected) respects!

Ed

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Ed,

A different man. 'Our' Larry Hickey died 14 August 2021. He lived in Boulder, Colorado. A very sad loss.
It looks like work is continuing on EOP at least. A new book cover has appeared on their website since I last viewed it.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.

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Thanks for that, Martin. I have been wondering and wondering and wondering about Larry H. for the past several years. If you know of or happen upon a full obit on him it would be most appreciated.

Larry deZ.

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Larry Hickey's obit:

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries...?pid=199875161

Rest in Peace.

Frank.

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In answer to Ed’s first post, yes the Hickey family is selling off certain photographs. Larry’s passing was mentioned on 12 OCH Obituaries and there are others closely involved who can say for certain what is happening to the EOE project.

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Thanks all
Ed

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Hope one of them "steps forward".

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I have no issues to EOE and do not want take part in any quarrels or disputes. Just thought it was halted for now.

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Thank you, Frank. Very informative obit.

Larry deZ.

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Wonderful, wonderful books no doubt from IHRA over the years, but they are not it seems without controversy. The 38th Bomb Group Association had major legal issues with them trying to push on and have their book published, and eventually had the proposed book “Sunsetters Of The Southwest Pacific Area” published themselves under licence, but that it would be for veterans and their families only.
I was lucky to have made contact with a veteran who before he passed recently, supplied myself and a friend, with two.
This is a magnificent tome with over 700/800 pages, a single volume instead of the two volume envisaged by IHRA, with the same superb layout except for the missing Profiles (probably copyright)…
For all that we’ll not see the likes of these IHRA books too often….

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As to anyone stepping forward, it will be a massive task but let us wait and see

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Probably as well to move this thread to the "Books" section, I think.

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Well...I would certainly NOT recommend buying anything from the seller (his family?).

I bought quite a few photos today, and all I got was major attitude in return.

What happened was they have all the listing set as "immediate payment required for buy it now". This stops the ability to buy in bulk. You are essentially required to pay immediately for each individual item, and shipping on top. So what happens is you pay shipping for each individual item and cannot request a total to combine.

I paid something like $25 in shipping, so I asked if they could refund me the difference so I pay the correct shipping costs (I live one State over).

Whoever contacted me back did refund some of it...but talked down to me, telling me that in future I should request a total.

When I told them that the issue was in the listings themselves (unable to request a total, due to the "immediate payment") setting, all I got was them telling me I was the problem.

I assured them that this was a listing issue, and that I would show them how to fix it (so this does not happen again). Their response - "don't tell me how to run my business!"...and..."don't buy from me again"!

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I run the eBay store owned by a close friend. It does happen that eBay, not me, adds or changes features from time to time.

I always recommend that potential buyers contact me for a total shipping price. Since 2006, this has rarely happened.

Note that none of the items on offer are of a military historical nature.


I very much look forward to any updates about EoE since that time period should be covered at that level of detail.

However, I am also aware, due to my years in book publishing, about rights issues, the amount of time that can go

into research and the compiling, organizing and writing that would be involved.


Ed

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Hello,

I am Madison Jonas, from IHRA. I'm posting from Larry's account because when I tried to make my own account, it said that registration was disabled for new members. Anyway, I just wanted to answer some of the questions brought up in this thread.

First of all: yes, it’s true that we’re no longer working on the Eagles over Europe project. Larry was the driving force behind that project, and with his passing…we just didn’t have the resources to carry on with it. Last I heard, some of the other people who worked on the project might publish something from the research we all amassed over the years, but that is not something IHRA is involved with any longer. I certainly wish them all the luck.

And yes, I can confirm that is our eBay account. I do want to emphasize—as far as photos go, we are only selling off the photos that we purchased directly and have the original copies. We are not selling any photos that were loaned to us for research purposes or jointly purchased with other people. We have a great deal of respect for the people who shared information with Larry during his lifetime, and we’re not looking to betray that trust.

Regarding the Eagles Over the Pacific project: I’m happy to confirm the manuscript for Harvest of the Grim Reapers, Volume I is at the printer. It is a 528-page tome about the 27th and 3rd Bomb Groups in 1941 and 1942. It’s got some wonderful stories, amazing photography, profile art—the works, everything you’d expect from our books. Larry was heavily involved in the project up until he fell ill, and Edward Rogers and I carried it over the finish line. I’m really proud of how it turned out.

Beyond that, though…I don’t know. We have all the research and partial manuscripts for the 38th Bomb Group project and the remainder of the 3rd Bomb Group project. I don’t know what’s going to happen to them. I certainly hope we’ll be able to publish them all, but I don’t know how it will go. Unfortunately, it depends on several factors that are either unknown or private, and that’s all I can say about that.

So that’s about the size of things.

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Thanks for the update re the EoE Project, - much appreciated.

Please PM me on here.

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Thanks Madison a clear and understandable statement

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Thank you for the update on the Eagles Over the Pacific project, I'm looking forward to the next volumes and hope they all will be published.

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This is far from clear. But I do not have direct interest here, just that this work crosses grossly over, overlaps, to what I (and most probably many others researchers too) have been doing over/after all these years. I must belive they were consulted?

Does not say who or how the EoE project was traded or sold, who the buyer(s) were and how they are going re-inburse the older contributors, or who holds copyright to the artwork (?) or the remaining data or images.
Just free copies or nothing?

Eggert

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There were many (no me directly) involved in this project and following Madison's post, no doubt one of them will respond further. As far as the material, all that is being sold are photos from Larry's collection (as stated by Madison) but I know they have all been scanned by the team.

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Vague-ness has me slightly on the worried side of the pony.
I feel (and know some) that want know, more, and now, how that "team" was selected. Qualifications or eagerness set aside.
I am asking as over 10 years have gone by (with how much progress?) and if all legal matters have been settled, death aside, RIP,
or all up for grabs, per Soviet Union 1990s. Modest request is that this be cleared up in open air and no shady deals in smoke filled backrooms.
With no prior announcement, except in close circles, selling off whatever conditions, just confirms my view on this. But why do I bother?

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I doubt if these are his family's biggest concerns just at the moment.

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Vagueness is sometimes required. Over time, material is collected, various people are involved, and much behind the scenes work needs to be done.

I have been directly involved in projects that are 10 years old and older. It is best that people outside of those directly involved in a project not hear
anything about it until shortly before actual publication. I work in an industry that is highly reactive to valid criticisms. On a private industry mailing list
of which I am a member, no one posts comments that can be taken the wrong way.


Best,
Ed

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That's all well and good, Ed. However, the moot point is that those INSIDE the Project were basically being shut out by others who were 'closer' to the main man!

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No I don't wish to escalate the discussion, but (John) I cannot help being curious.

I know it's probably one of the sins of mankind even if not on the top 10 list in the Bible...but your answer makes me even more curious....

With the amount of published work escalating on the year 1940 I had more and more began to feel this enormous work was getting rather bypassed somehow.

What is really lacking (in my files anyhow) is a really good "final" book on the Polish campaign and its aftermath and I would certainly be willing to buy such a book. So perhaps our Polish friends can advise if this is going to happen or not.

And, guys, please don't start WW 3 on this behalf. If there in fact is anything to say, keep to the facts and nothing else, OK?

Cheers
Stig

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I understand but the outside world has no need to know.


Respectfully,
Ed