Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

On Jan 6 1945 the following airman bailed out over A-89 in Belgium : Sgt Cumers RP , Langley 148907 and IO Benton. Can someone help me with additional info on this event.
Thanks already for the help
Alain57

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Hello Alain,


LM187 Lancaster of 218 Squadron crashed on 6/01/1945 2 miles from A-89.


Best regards, met vriendelijke groeten,


Luc

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Goodevening ,

Thanks Luc

Alain

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Looking in Chorley's RAF Bomber Command losses 1945 he indicates the aircraft was abandoned by its crew, that is all seven bailed out.

In his crew list there is no Sgt Cumers while Langley and Benton are spelled Longley and Banton
In his Vol 9 (Roll of Honour) there is no Cumers at all for 1945.

He doesn't use A-89 as a reference (but others do) but place the crash at Nethen (Brabant) some 10km SSW from the centre of Leuven.

B Rgds
Stig

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Stig,

Nethen is just 8km due west of A-89 Le Culot/Beauvechain. Place of bailing out by crew near A-89 was followed by crash of Lancaster farther down the road, I reckon.

More details on Rafcommands.

Regards,
Leendert

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Yes I know Leendert :)

I was just quoting what Chorley stated.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

No sign of a Sgt. Cumers on 6 Jan 45 for LM187 in ORB 218 squadron either...

If an airman with that name also came down, then we look at another bail out.

Regards,
Leendert

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Yes I agree

Perhaps Alain can advise from where he got the name??

Cheers
Stig

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Hello ,

I found this name in REEL B5635 USAAF , i will send you this in a private message

Regards
Alain57

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

I have some problems attaching the photo in my private mail to you , what a i doing wrong ?

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

This is the text page 867 REEL B5635

Starcraft Allied annd said TAF's RAF has parachuted down atv A-89. Sgt Curmers , TP Langley, Ser NO 1486907 and IO benton , ship no XUUT - both from 318sqn 13 Command. 5 more crewmembers parachuted in enemy terrutory just west of Nethen at J6446 about 5 miles from A-89.Relayed info to 2nd ATAF[/i].

REgards
Alain

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Thanks Alain

I notice you have slightly changed Cumers name to Curmers and 218 Sq to 318 Sq.

RAF 318 Sq is impossible since that unit was not in Europe.
Curmers is still unknown and not included in the crew of LM187

The info you give also contain too much that I don't understand, such as
Ship no XUUT (a call sign perhaps? RAF No 7 Sq used letter code XU)
13 Command (I don't know of any RAF Commands)
2 ATAF (I know what 2 TAF is)

Finally, none of the crew of LM187 ended up on the wrong side of the line.
All came down down on the Allied side.

Looking at USAAF losses on the 6th, nothing match.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Bailed out on Jan 6 1945 over A-89 in Belgium
 

Even with a lot of imagination, Sgt Curmers doesn't resemble any of the names of the crew of LM187 as listed in the ORB...
Either this name got totally jumbled up in the report of the Reel, or the ORB is wrong on this point. If the latter, then look for a Sgt Curmers in 218 Squadron ORB's on previous dates.

Remarkable: three men parachuted down, plus 5 more 'in enemy territory', makes 8, while a Lancaster crew had seven.
Coordinates J6446 point to a spot just south of Brussels.

Regards,
Leendert