Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hi,

I'd be very interested if someone could precise to which part of the geschwader belonged any of the following pilots, any other infos being welcome (they were all killed, wounded, missing, or prisoners in July and August 1943) :

- Uffz Gustav Ahlbrand
- Uffz Ludwig Buchheit
- Fw Udo Bungert
- Lt Herbert Fraenzel
- Uffz Friedrich Graf
- Gft Friedrich Goepfert
- Lt Nikolaus Jeschonnek (relative of the LW's Chief of Staff ?)
- Fw Gerhard Juengel (interned in Turkey ???)
- Uffz Kurt Komorowski
- Lt Berthold Korts (an ace ?)
- Ogf Franz Kotzian
- Fw Alfred Lehmann
- Fw Hannes Joerg Merkle
- Uffz Hans Otto Muehler
- Uffz Guenther Muenchow
- Ofw Karl Munz (ace ?)
- Oblt Herbert Planer
- Lt Werner Puls
- Uffz Kurt Rathmann
- Ogf Christoph Reich
- Lt Hans Werner von Rudloff
- Fw Ernst Schruender
- Uffz Wilhelm Sigl
- Fw Franz Stolz
- Uffz Horst Timme
- Uffz Alfred Uhl

That's a long list, but info about even only one or two of them would already be helpful...

Thanks,

Kolya

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hi,


- Fw Udo Bungert - 3/JG52 KIA 17.08.43 Air combat with LaGG G-6 15571 gelbe 9 PQ 70764, Isjum
- Lt Herbert Fraenzel - 2/JG52 30 kills (therein 10 by JG52) KIA 27.09.44 with JG11
- Gft Friedrich Goepfert - Uffz. 2/JG52 min.5 kills MIA 27.07.43 Enemy fire G-6 15639 black 10 Kalinowka
- Fw Gerhard Juengel - he should ferry the black 1 G-4 W.Nr.19510 of Hptm.Wiese from Kuteinikowo to Anapa. He became lost and landed in the area of Samsun in T. 1/JG52 min.1 kill INT 25.07.43
- Ogf Franz Kotzian - 1/JG52 KIA 02.08.43 crashed during transfer flight G-4 14952 gelbe 1 Krirowotowka-Kuteinikowo (or Kutelinikowo?)
- Fw Hannes Joerg Merkle - 1/JG52 32 kills KIA 01.08.43 air combat with Jak-1 rammed G-6 20423 white 3 3km E Dimitrijewka
- Ofw Karl Munz (ace ?) - stab and 3/JG52 57 kills (60)
- Uffz Wilhelm Sigl - 1/JG52 MIA 31.07.43 air combat with IL-2 G-6 14686 black 9 PQ 88224, W Stepanowka
- Fw Franz Stolz - 2/JG52 min 6 kills KIA 20.07.43 air combat G-6 20050 black 2 in the area of Marinowka

Regards

Robert

Source: Barbas "I/JG52"

Regards

Robert

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hi!

Lt. Berthold Korts (113 vic., RK) was at that time (summer 1943) St.K. 9./JG 52. He was killed in combat with P-39 on 29.08.1943 near Amwrossijewka, together with his Katschmarek Uffz. Hans-Otto Müller.

Obfw. Karl Munz (60-62 vic., RK) served in Stab I./JG 52. On 20.08.1943. he was wounded and baled out of his Bf 109 after combat with Yak-1.

Uffz. Horst Timme (14 vic.) - MiA 28.08.1943. after combat with P-39.
Lt. Hans-Werner von Rudloff (10 vic.) - MiA 01.04.1944.
Lt. Werner Puls (27 vic.) - KiA 17.08.1943. in combat with LaGG-3.
Oblt. Herbert Planer (16 vic.) - KiA 23.12.1944 (in JG 11).
Fw. Hans-J. Merkle (30 vic., DKG) - KiA 01.08.1943 (rammed?).
Fw. Alfred Lehmann (20 vic.) - KiA 11.07.1943.
Uffz. Kurt Komorowski (5 vic.) - KiC 30.07.1943 after combat.
Lt. Herbert Fränzl (31vic.) - KiA 27.09.1944 (in JG 11 due to own Flak).
Uffz. Ludwig Buchheit (13 vic.) - KiA 09.08.1944 (by Flak).
Uffz. Gustav Ahlbrand (14 vic.) - MiA 22.08.1943.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Artur

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hello all,

For Munz also see: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/munz.html

regards,
Rob

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Many thanks,

All three of these answers are very helpful...

In fact, with the Gruppe or Staffel, I'm mainly trying to determine to which operations/battles can be attributed their losses (definitive or temporary), and details are useful to see whether they were experienced pilots or not...

Kolya.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hi guys

I was interested to learn that Fw Gerhard Juengel of 1/JG52 was interned in Turkey on 25/7/43. For how long was he interned? I assume other Lw personnel were interned in Turkey at different times. Any info on whom they were? Aircraft type? Date? Fate?

Were Lw personnel interned in other neutral countries apart from Sweden Switzerland and Eire? Any in Spain or Portugal?

Cheers
Brian

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Quite a lot for J.G. 52 Gruppen during summer 1943...
Taman, Zitadelle, Red Army offensive operations at Belgorod, Charkow, Orel, Isjum-Barwenkowo, Mius.

kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Kolya,
Lt Hans-Werner Von Rudloff 4/JG52 1.4.44 Nach Luftkampf Vermisst Bruch 100% Raum Bagerowo, SU Bf109G-6 760026 W8.
Source Barbas II/JG52
Regards,
Andy

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

On the whole, before making more detailed corrections (looking at moves at the Staffel level), I start by assuming that, in July and August 1943, the actions of Stab, I, and III Gruppe can broadly be attibuted to the Battle of Kursk and the following soviet counter-attacks (Orel and Belgorod-Kharkov), and the actions of II Gruppe to the fighting over Kuban...

The late summer must also have been quite "active" but so far, I've concentrated my research on these two months.

Do you thing this is correct assumption (I know that there may have been a move Northwards by a small part of II Gruppe, but no more so far...) ?

Regards,

Kolya.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Additionaly I. Gruppe participated in fighting over Mius-Front in second half of July 1943, and approx. half of II. Gruppe transferred to Charkow area in early August.

kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hello all,

Try to get hold of Niko Fast's Das Jagdgeschwader 52, IV. Band. Here you will find the losses of JG 52 and Jahreserfolgsbericht 1943 of I./JG 52.

Regards,
Rob

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Pawel referring to your homepage, did III/JG-52 move to Orel 14/7/43.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

- Lt Nikolaus Jeschonnek (relative of the LW's Chief of Staff ?)
Yes, he was a relative of the "big" Jeschonnek. IIRC, he was a pilot in II/JG52. At least there is a picture of him in Lipferts diary, but it is borrowed away atm.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Many thanks,

Do you know if he was a close relative ?

I mean, General Hans Jeschonnek committed suicide less than two weeks after this pilot was killed, could this event have played a role in his decision ?

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Hello Kolya1,

See: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Jeschonnek

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...eschonnekH.htm

http://www.frontflieger.de/3-j-f.html

The reason for his suicide were other reasons.

Regards
Rob

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Nikolaus Jeschonnek was his son IIRC. In fact Jeschonnek was an eyewitness of the air battle of Kursk, he also saw the desaster of soviet 2./17. air army at 5. 07. 43. Kursk (death of his son), Sicily and Hamburg were defeats for the Luftwaffe.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Acc. to Lipfert's diary,
- Nikolaus jeschonnek was a nephew of the Lw's Generalstabschef and
- died during a bomb attack on JG52's AF in Anapa on 5.8.'43.

Re: Info about some of JG52's pilots ?
 

Thank you both,

A quite close relative anyway, even if not a main motive of the general's suicide, that must not have raised his morale...

Besides that, could somebody indicate me a good source on JG51 (I'm mainly interested in the operations on the Eastern Front), and on the air war in the East in early 1945 ?

Thanks,

Kolya.