4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Hello

3 Ju.88 were shot down by US fighters during a transfer flight to Prag in the morning.

Arnberg (in germany? or Austria?)
Sankt Oswald (idem)
Netolice (Tchekie)

I am interested in the identity of the claimants and the victims.

Thanks in advance

Michel

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Bonjour Michel

Apparently NO CLAIMS recorded on the 4th May 1945 (see pg.305) in ETO on this day

https://www.afhra.af.mil/Portals/16/...090601-121.pdf

LAST claim on MTO is recorded on the 24-04-1945 (pg.340)

So....maybe AA fire was the cause?

Adriano

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

I have claims for Ju 88s at Arbing, Landwiesen and NE of Linz

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Could you post or add the claimants (name, rank, unit) here please Chris?
Who made the claims and why they are not on the official list of victories of the US Air Force?
Maybe RAF?

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Maj Ralph C Jenkins 510 FS (Arbing & Landwiesen) & 1/Lt Glen B Gremillion 162 RS (8 mile NE Linz)

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Thanks Chris.

Michel: For the claim (without firing) of 1/Lt Gremillion I suggest you pag.168 of the book "Aerial Reconaissance" by Tom G. Ivie, which describe that the Ju 88 belly-landed on seeing the F-6 Mustang. It was reported as being a "cream-colored Ju 88" "...with black crosses on the wing and a Swastika on the tail".

I can send you the relevant scanned page you need.

A.

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Just for curiosity...the "Official" list of claims do give Gremillion a sole claim but on 04-04-1945 (not on 4th May), on page 83 and pg.300 of the relevant PDF file.

So, maybe he was NOT officially credited with the victory on the 4th May 1945....

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

The source is the late Frank Olynyk's magnus opus which states 1030hrs on 4 May 45 and with the war going for another 4 days, I wonder if anyone recorded the details of these losses

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Hello Michel,

the claims what you are looking for are the following:

4./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / # 621506 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Shot down by P-47 Thunderbolts - 405th Fighter Group - 9th USAAF / Crashed near Netolice, 23 Km northwest of Budweis - Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren / Crew bailed out - 1 wounded

4./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Attack by P-47 Thunderbolts - 405th Fighter Group - 9th USAAF / Crashlanding near Untermarreith, 4 km east-northeast Sankt Oswald bei Freistadt, 35 km north-northeast Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Oberfeldwebel Helmut Lusky (P) - slightly wounded / Unteroffizier Wolfgang Mayr - wounded / Feldwebel Hanns Bumbl + Unteroffiziuer Rudi Wokittel - seriously wounded

5./NJG 100 / Junkers Ju 88 G-6 / Transfer Flight from Raffelding b. Linz -> Prag / Shot down by P-51 - Lieutenant Glenn B. Gremillion - 162nd Rcn. Sqn. / Crashed into a Wood near Arnberg, 1 Km north-northwest of Wartberg-ob-der-Aist, 15 km eat-northeast of Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Feldwebel Heinz Stägemann (Bf) - killed / Rest of the Crew unknown - presumed Missing/Killed

All the best

Fred

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

And to top it off a further Victim of the 405th Fighter Group at May 4th 1945:

Führer - Kurierstaffel / Junkers Ju 52/3m / Attack by P-47 Thunderbolt - Lieutenant Sides - 405th Fighter Group in the Steyregg Area / The Plane hits a high-voltage power line and crashes near the transformer Station of Holzwinden, east of Linz (Oberösterreich) - Austria / Oberfeldwebel Karl Scherbaum (P) + Oberfeldwebel Rolf Schuster + Unteroffizier Fritz Wölfel + Unteroffizier Hermann Handt - all killed

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

I forget the Claimants:

Major Jenkins 405th F.G. Ju 88
Lieutenant Shaeffer 405th F.G. Trainer
Lieutenant Sides 405th F.G. Ju 52
Major Jenkins 405th F.G. Ju 88
Lieutenant Gremillion 162nd Rcn. Sqn. Ju 88
2nd Lieutenant Kalvaitis 365th F.G. Me 262
2nd Lieutenant Sarrow 365th F.G. Me 262

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

TRENDLE,

VERY KIND OF YOURS to put here all the claims, names and units involved.
Although the thread is not mine, I do appreciate your kindness. Most welcomed.

A.

Adriano,

I`m honoured

And for Chris,

Arbing exists, Landwiesen not neither in Germany nor in Austria. Jenkins means Langwiesen, east-northeast of Linz - Österreich. Someone must have spelled that wrong, which occurs in particular in the often similar-sounding German Cities and Communities. But that`s not so important and just a side note.

Fred

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Wahou!! super!

Thank you VERY MUCH ALL, I appreciate!
Good infos Trendle (among others)

Michel

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Fred: Locations came from US records; they usually get the spelling wrong

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

He, he Fred

This thread reminds me.....speed up your publications.....:D
Eagerly awaited by at least some of us.....

Take Care!
Stig

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

Hallo,


by the 9th Air Force Summary of Operations No. 124 4 May 1945:
tactical fighters all: E/A (Air) 4-0-1
photo recon: 1-0-0


405.FG first day mission
1x Ju 52 J-9595
405.FG second mission
1x Ju 88 V-975925 at 9.00
1x Ju 88 ?-145825
1x unk. trainer at R-0000
10.PRG
1-0-0 (probably Gremillion´s Ju 88)



Me 262 of 365.FG only as 0-0-1 ("encoutered 3 Me.262 at L-5590 at 1111 hrs. 1 e/a on deck, 1 e/a at 7000 ft an 1 e/a at 8000 ft, followed 1 Me.262 over PRAGUE-RUZYNE L-6887 damaging it and getting hit by flak...")

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

One plane WNr. 621 506 W7+?? (clear show on two pictures) belly landing, crew saved, morning at 8.00 hrs close Netolice, south of Bohemia.

About the two crash in Austria interested Mr. Karl Affenzeller of Freistadt, if I know well, he both cases confirmed from local sources.

Re: 4./NJG 100 on 04/05/1945
 

An article from Lokals about the Ju.88s shot down:
https://www.ooegeschichte.at/media/m..._3_263-273.pdf