Plea for help from the Channel Islands
 

I have been contacted by a family from Jersey trying to confirm their father's wartime memory of a dogfight over St Helier, Jersey, on or just before VE Day, 8th May 1945. The father, who is still alive, was a 13 year old lad, stood near the Commercial Buildings (near where the tunnel is now) on St Helier Harbour when he witnessed a dogfight over St Aubin's Bay between a ME109 and a Spitfire. He recalls German plane billowing black smoke rolled out of sight towards St Peter's airport chased by the Spitfire. The British plane returned a few moments later, performed a victory roll over the bay before heading back towards England. I would be grateful if anyone knows of any document or published account that could confirm this memory. I know the Luftwaffe continued to engage in combat even on the 8th May stating the war didn't finish until midnight although those combats tended to be on the Eastern Front, such as Hartman's, for example. Any assistance gratefully received.

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It can't have been right at the end of the war. There were no Bf 109s within range of the Channel Islands after about the third week of August 1944 because of the German collapse following the Allied breakout from Normandy. Luftwaffe fighters were withdrawn in great haste to (e.g.) bases in Belgium and Western Germany. Night time supply flights did continue to the islands until shortly before VE Day, mostly by He 111s.

Your combat must have been in 1944 at the latest.

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Sounds more like the 257 Sqn Typhoon which shot down the Fw 190 of IV./SKG 10 in May 1943?

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Any chance this was just before D-Day ?

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...and don't forget memories play tricks. One I was involved in was a Bf 109 which crashed in 1940 but turned out to be a Typhoon in 1944!

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This anecdote sounds like something out of a Hollywood movie.

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Perhaps the gentleman can match any of the WW 2 crashes on this website https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...hannel_Islands with what he has recollected?

Regards,
Leendert

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Thanks for your comments which I will pass back to the family.
Whilst I am fully aware of the problems with this kind of oral testimony, his other descriptions of aerial activity in the week leading up to VE Day - solo Spits flying over the island and the arrival of the RAF on the 9th - tie in with known or published accounts of those sightings so I have no reason at this stage to doubt his account (other than your comments above). Like many boys of the war identifying aircraft was something of a hobby taken seriously. He was with a friend who saw what he saw, so this appears to be no solo memory distorted through the mists of time.

What German aircraft were at St Peter's, Jersey in May 1945?

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I’m pretty confident that the answer is none. As I said, there had been supply flights in the period August 1944–April 1945 but they always headed back to Germany the same night or within a couple of days. The Channel Islands were hundreds of kilometres from German lines once France was liberated and they did not base air units there or in the other Atlantic Fortresses.

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Furthermore, how could they have maintained or armed combat aircraft when they had effectively been cut off for 11 months? Any combat aircraft would have been a potential threat to Allied operations so would have had to be neutralised in June-July 1944

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Just a big thank you to everyone for their comments, and especially Chris and Nick. I have passed the comments on to the daughter who will share them with her father. The family appreciate your input.

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The FW190 in May 43 was over Alderney and crashed into the cliffs there having been chased across the Channel so couldn't have been over Jersey.

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Should have checked Phil! Wonder why nothing has been written about this crash mindful I have a camera photo of its demise

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The only Me109s that I'm aware of up until the summer of 1944 that were still operational in the vicinity of the Channel Islands were those of Nahaufklärungsgruppe 13 operating out of areas like Dinard and St. Brieuc ( https://www.ww2.dk/air/recon/nagr13.htm ).

The following is an extract from Channel Islands Occupation Review 1974 in an article by Robert Le Page, pp.19-20; "On Saturday, 11 May 1968, the Luftwaffe returned to Jersey in force. The invasion consisted of seventeen Messerschmitt Me109s (Hispano HA-1112-MIL Buchons ; equipped with Rolls Royce Merlin engines!); two Heinkel He111s (C.A.S.A.2.111Bs also with Merlin engines); one solitary Spitfire and a Nord 262 of Rousseau Aviation as an escort aircraft. The Me109s and the He111s were all built in Spain under licence and used by the Spanish Air Force.

The aircraft flew in from the south in two formations, each arriving over Jersey Airport at 1400 hours and 1430 hours respectively. The first consisted of eight Mel09s and one He111 and the second of nine Mel09s and one He111, the solitary Spitfire and the Nord 262 arriving a few minutes later.

As each formation arrived over the Airport with a heavy drone from the Merlin engines, the aircraft split up into groups of three and, flying down low over the runway, peeled off one by one before making a circuit and coming into land using the full length of the runway. The aircraft then taxied to an area south of the terminal buildings and parked in lines on the grass."

A possible candidate for the scene witnessed?

Kind regards
Pierre