Ju W34's Lost in Action
 

Hi
Browsing the Hugo Junkers Webpage I noticed on the Ju W34 production list the following 3 Ju W34's shot down by Allied Aircraft :-
J 1377 shot down over Rovar Island ~ Norway. 9/9/40 by a Skua
J 1346 of 7.Seenotstaffel shot down over Sondor Tronden ~ Denmark. 24/3/44 by ?
J 68008 (DB+LB) of JG 108 shot down over Haderwijk ~ Holland on 29/2/44 by US Fighter
Has anyone any idea who the claimants were ?
Cheers
Bruce Lande

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Bruce,

I have no reference to a claim by a Skua on Sept 9, 1940. I think it is far too late for Skuas to be operating over Norway.

The March 24, 1944 claim is probably that of W/C John Braham+S/L Robertson (does anyone have his full name?), of 2 Group, flying a 613 Sqn Mosquito VI LR374 SY-W. The claim was for a Me-109, later changed to a Ju W.34, at 1509 hours, 6 miles S of Aalborg.

The only American claim on Feb 29, 1944, at 1025 hours, is by Maj. Gerald Johnson of the 63rd FS, 56th FG, in P-47D-15RE 42-76249 UN-Z-. Noted as a Ju-52?, near Horderwijk.

Frank.

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Hi
another one is Wn2751, shot down on roadstead 57, 14/4/43 off brest ( 263Sq and 65Sq ), think it was storrar & long 65Sq who actually shot it down.
cheers
Jerry

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Hi Bruce

The W.34 shot down on 9/9/40 was BB+MG of Luftdienst 64 and fell off Roevar Island. The crew was rescued by a Norwegian fishing boat. It seems possible that it fell victim to Skua L2889 of 801 Squadron, crewed by PO(A) Henry Kimber and PO(A) Alfred Clayton, although this aircraft FTR and the crew were killed, presumably shot down by AA fire over Haugesund. As far as I am aware, none of the returning Skua crews reported combat, while the crew of the W.34 apparently reported being shot down by an RAF 'bomber'. The Skuas were after all acting in the dive-bomber role attacking shipping. Incidentally, Kimber had claimed a He111 damaged on 17/4/40 and another shared destroyed on 26/4/40

Hi Frank

I am afraid you are incorrect on this occasion - the Skuas continued a series of raids against Norwegian targets including 13/9/40 (oil tanks at Skaalevik); one Skua FTR; on 2/10/40 against shipping in Bjorne Fjiord (one Skua shot down by Bf109); and 27/12/40 against shipping in Haugesund.

It would be good if we can get some information from our Norwegian friends regarding these raids.

Cheers
Brian

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Hi
thankyou gentlemen for the response , it seems like these were in fact the claimants.
As Brian notes it would be good to get some more info on the Skua ops over Norway in late 1940 - I am pretty sure they were all carried out by 801 Sq FAA operating from Hatston and also HMS Furious.
Thanks again
Bruce Lander

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Hi Bruce

It appears that II/JG77 claimed two Skuas shot down on 13/9/40 - do we know who the claimants were?

Cheers
Brian

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Hello
IIRC the last of Furious's carrier raids in 1940 against Norwegian targets was made on 16/10/40 and during that one Skua was interned in Sweden. I have no info on 9/9/40 claim, IIRC Furious made a raid from 6th to 8th Sept.

Juha

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Hi
apologies to all.....
for my font in my earlier reply
seems I hit a wrong button somewhere.
cheers
jerry

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Hello Frank,

The place Horderwijk has to be Harderwijk, Holland In fact this W.34 crashed near Nunspeet, some 5 miles NE of Harderwijk.

Not suprisingly that this W.34 was identified as Ju.52. In fact P/O Bethell of 268 Squadron made a similar claim on 26th November 1942 in that area and it turned out that his Ju.52 claim must have concerned a W.34 too, in fact Wnr 0175 of Feurst. Horst.

Regards,
Hans Nauta

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See http://www.flensted.eu.com/g1944038.shtml

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Hi guys

Just accessed this item. There are a few corrections I would like to make

The Junkers site for the Ju W34 losses are mostly incorrect. I have written to the owner/keeper of the site to tell him this but I have had no replies from.

For some reason either the dates are wrong or the operating Unit.

W 34 68008 The operator is Flieger.Ziel.Gs.2 and not JG 108
(One crew was killed Fw.Herbert Dachsel)

W 34 1346 (correct W/nr.1436) the operator is Stab/BordfliegerGr.196

W 34 W/nr. 0175 Operator was LDK Belgian-Nordfrankreich and not
FeuhrerSt.Horst.

Does anybody else have any unknown Ju W34 losses/claims from Allied sources.

Thanks

Regards

Tom Willis

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the 355th FG claimed two Ju W34's destroyed on the ground 5 April, 1944 at Landsberg A/D

Regards,

Bill

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The JU-34 of 26 November 1942 dont crashed at Harderwijk or Nunspeet.
Its was crashing neaar the Stationsstraat in Putten,Gelderland,Holland
3 crewmember were KIA.We have found remains of the aircraft in the field.

regards Jaap

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Hi Jaap

can you confirm that the remains were those of a Ju W 34? Also was any data-plates found to confirm the W/nr.

Thanks for the info.

Regards

Tom Willis

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Hi
Thanks for your excellent replies to my original query - it is amazing how one question can open up so much information.
It would be interesting to see just how many non-combat types such as the Fw.58,Siebel 204,He.59 etc were shot down by allied fighters
Once again guys thanks for your replies

Bruce

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Hey Tom,

Yes we found a small metal plate with no. on it.
It was sure a JU-34.They used it for towing a bag,so the FLAK can shoot on the bag.The whole crew of three was burning in the wreck.
Crash was in a grassland , Rimpelerweg/Stationsstraat,Putten,Holland
Pilot was ; Uffz.A.Schulte.
( look at Google Map ; Rimpelerweg - Putten - The Netherlands )

Groeten Jaap

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Bruce ;

11-10-1940,crashed;Ypenburg Airdrome,Holland,JU-W34H,0589
Kurierstaff 110.

regards Jaap

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hi
Thanks Jaap ( and everyone else ) , I am plugging away at this subject and hope to post some more info soon

Bruce

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Hi,

F/Lt Marples, P/O Ranger and Sgt Whiteford from the 41 Sqn shot down on 18 September 1941 a Ju W34 off Ostend. They claimed a Ju 52, but in fact it was a Ju 34 from Luftgau Kdo Belgien/Nord Frankreich (WNr 1319) and the 3 crew members were killed (Fw. Karl Weber, pilot; Uffz. Herbert Fenske, radio and Ogfr. Alfred Rostial, engineer). Once again the RAF pilots misidentified this aircraft. The Ju W34 crashed at Het Zoute near Knokke on the Belgian coast.

Rgds

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An old post reply, but would just add that Ju W34 WNr-2751* from Ld.abt.4 remains were found on the Crozon peninsula by Jean Tréguer with the help of local people.


Hope this helps
Gildas

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F/L Johnson with F/O Caine of 418(RCAF) Sqd. claimed two W34s on 27-01-1944 from a total of 7 claims that day by the Sqd. The W34s from FFS B-7 were wn 1407 N/E of Clermont-Farrand Ff Oblt.Helmut Nord w , Uffz Hans Voss and Uffz Gustav Lehnert both killed and wn 0213 S/E Avord Ff Uffz Franz Oberthammer , Bf Uffz Heinrich Megerle , Uffz Herbert Mander all killed

Regards
Brian Bines

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Hello Gildas,

I am much interested in the findings of Ju W34 WNr 2751 shot down on 14th April 1943. I have recently published the story of Roadstead 57 on my website at https://14-4-43.fr/index.php/eveneme...30414-1615-r57 and would be very glad to know if additional information is coming into light. Unfortunately - but not for you - the text is only in French.

Best wishes,

Jérémie