'Yellow 16' recovered today
 

Hi, guys.

Yellow 16 was recovered today, by a team put together by the 'Workgroup Yellow 16'. I was lucky to be able to participate, and inspect this relic only seconds after it was put down on the deck of a converted ferry used for the recovery.

Pls follow the following link to see a photo taken by Olve Dybvig today:

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/yellow16recovered.jpg

Regards,
Andreas

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She looks practically intact!

Great shot, thanks for sharing it with us.

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Amazing and wonderful ! Thank you for the news !

Stephane

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Hello Andreas,
Superb picture and she looks to be in great shape , what is the history of her, i can see the hood was jettisoned and the front cowling / weapon cover is missing but no obvious strikes on the wings or this side of the fusalage

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Congratulations to you and your team!

She's a real beauty.



regards,
Tomislav

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Congratulations....She's intact!!!
Thx for sharing
Alessandro

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Hi, guys.

The full story of this aircraft will be further investigated as soon as the identity can be established beyond any doubt, and publications/press releases will probably come from the workgroup at that time.

The aircraft was lost when the pilot was forced to ditch soon after take-off from Herdla airfield, if the identity is what we think, a lot is known about this aircraft.

I must admit it is a beautiful start for a project, most markings are intact including a most interesting personal emblem!

Regards,
Andreas B

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Great Andreas! fantastic recovery! where have recovered?

Thanks for info

ciao

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ops, i see last post :)

thanks Andreas

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A most remarkable discovery, indeed.

Here's my preliminary interpretation of the aircraft, I have yet to incorporate the lack of exhaust flaps, something I expected this aicraft to have!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...llow16_pub.jpg

Regards,

Kjetil

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Congratulations on yet a great recovery in Norway.

That was quick Kjetil! Good work!
/Mike

'Yellow 16' recovered today 129 photos on this link
 

'Yellow 16' recovered today 129 photos on this link
+ a profile of the A/C

http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/index.htm

Olve Dybvig

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Great!!! Thanks!!
Alessandro

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Great job 'Working Group Fw190 A2 - Gelbe' !. Good luck for the big job of conservation now ahead of you.

regards
Dave

p.s. great photos Olve

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Well, I have kind of been invovled with this project for some time and have had the profile ready for this day for months. I just added a few new discoveries!

Kjetil

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She's a beauty! Such a great sight!
Thank you!

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If this is WNr 425, I have this as an A-2, lost June 2, 1943 from IV./JG 5, crash landed due to engine trougble. I have no pilot listed.

If it is an A-2, Kjetil, it would have "slot" louvers as opposed to the "flap" type which were only on late production A-4s and all A-5s on.

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Gotto love this picture:
http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/source/image/img_8414.jpg
What scifi horror did that come from? :D

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Hi Skyraider,
I guess it's a sea anemone.
I'm sorry, no alien :)

But of course, really great pictures, I like them all!
Thanks to our friends from Norway!

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Hi, John.

Check 15.12.1943

Regards,
Andreas

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John that was WNr. 0120 425

John it supposed to be.... 0125 425

See: http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/lists/luftwaffe10.htm


15-12-1943 Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-2 Jagdstaffel ?./IV./JG 5 unk ?N WNr. 0125 425 unk Accident bad weather 100% Pilot unk - Dit/s unknown area (Pl.Qu.06/Ost/4163)

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What a coincidence !!

There was a picture in the newspaper, so I came looking here, hoping for some more info or maybe post the pic and ask about it.

Text accompanying the picture was : "A German warplane, lying in the North Sea near the Norwegian island Sotra, has been recovered. The plane crashed on Dec. 15 1943. The pilot was the only survivor of this aerial disaster".

Especially the last part intrigued me ... the Fw190 being a single-seater.
A disaster is when a 747 crashes IMHO.

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Hehe... hardly a disaster, no injuries at all....

Regards,
Andreas B

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Well, two questions.
I understand that the decisions will be finally undertaken after cleaning of the airframe, but is it planned to preserve it as it is, if possible?
Old black codes are visible on the photos, and I presume this aircraft may have previously served with another unit, eg. on Channel front. Is there any record of it or perhaps an overpainted unit emblem?
Good find!

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Was thinking the same thing, pretty silly text!!

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What is interesting, the flaps seem to be still set to a start position and I wonder if this Fw 190 flew with two MG 151/20 only or the MG 17 were lost during accident or raised later? Is it possible to see if their ammo boxes are still on the firewall or they are removed too?

Still amazed ;)
Kuba

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Yep, WNr 5425, same Gruppe of JG 5 and an A-2. Are you saying this is the recovered machine and the same machine? as listed in June? If so, I guess it was repaired after the June BL.

Thanks

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Hello! And its not every day`s catch too get that from the sea, wich bait did you use?

Good luck with all further work.

Best regards Chrille

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Mr. Beaman.

You are correct in that the cooling slits are wrong on my profile. That was because I expected them to be modified as on many other A-2/3s used by JG 5 in 1943-45, i.e. with cooling flaps attached (I started work on this profile months ago, working from underwater photage). See for instance how the majority of 14.(J)/JG 5's A-3s appeared.

This correction and a few other imrpovements are being implemented right now!

The MG cover and MG 17s were removed by divers prior to the rescue.

Kjetil

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great work Kjetil !

Norwegian TV news report of the recovery here

http://www.bt.no/btv/index.jsp?file=...h.asx?pid=3064

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Hello Franek

At the moment the plan is to preserve it as it is.

The history of the aircraft will be establish as soon as we find the correct Werk.No.

Olve Dybvig

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Now that sounds great. I hope it is not seriously coroded. You have to find the missing canopy anyway. I am not sure if assignment could be verified by the WNr if aircraft suffered no previous damage, but I believe old markings may be a clue. Have you found anything in terms of papers in the cockpit? This was one of most amazing finds when a Fw 190F was recovered in Poland.

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Just received from friend from Holland...

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Franek

As far as I know, no papers was found in the cockpit. We have several clues about the identity, but to be sure, we need the Werk.no.
I will be back in a few days to tell more


Best
Olve

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A phantastic find, thank you for sharing it with us ! Watching the great photo from Olve, it looks to me, that this might be a yellow 15 ....... what do you think ?

Thank's again

Regards
Thomas

'Yellow 16' recovered today
 

Hi all

Did see a photo of the fin tip underwater last year and it seemed to have two numbers on it. Due to the age of the airframe and 3-4 ID's, it being repaired is highly likely and the fin unit might well have been replaced. Fin is important as this is where a triangular plate was located although it may be incorrect.

Will need to assess and cross reference the different W.Nr's (0)425 / (3)425 / (5)425 to see if any are the same. 30/40% damage is quite significant for mid 1943 damage and repair if (0)425 / (3)425 is 5425 was lost 5-6 months later

Perhaps there is a repair report in Norway for this airframe? Andreas will have to have a look.

Looking at the recovery photos it was 'Yellow 16' (15?) on its last flight.
Before that it was 'Black 6'
Possiblu 'Black 1' or 'Black 10' before that,
and another black number before that.

2./JG5 or 11./JG5

Usually there is an ID plate 300mm aft of the hatch on the outside and one on the opposite side internally. Ammunition boxes/compass mox, radio/battery box and cockpit consulesoften had the W.Nr painted although often these were mixed up as well.Might well be corroded away.

Possibly the confirmation of Stkz RT+CY to the underside at least can be confirmed with 5425.

Looks as though the MG/FFs were deleted though the ammunition bulge is still there.

MG151 in place and MG17's removed previously.

Very nice embems below cockpit and on engine cowling.

A lot of research needs to be looked at to eventually confirm the W.Nr.

Very nice recovery.

regards

MS

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Hi all,

I want to share a photo with you taken in 1945 at a (prisoner?) camp in Bowoen, where the JG 5 and the Mickey Mouse emblem is in front of the cottage. The photo was sent from Heinz Orlowski.

Thanks Andreas, great work and good luck!
All the best, Horst

Re: 'Yellow 16' recovered today
 

While we're on the subject of recovered Fw.190s, what happened to that D-9 of JG-26 they pulled from Lake Schwerin, Germany? :(

Does anyone have recent photos of the plane that they could post? ;)

Stephen

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Hello, Horst!

I think that the location is Boemoen (or in norwegian Bømoen), a internment camp in Norway where the pilots and ground personnel from Herdla were sent after the war ended.

So - the next question is - what Staffel used this emblem (the Mickey Mouse on skis) in 1945?

I will have a look at the Staffelstammbau tonight and post more later.

Regards,
Andreas