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Johannes 30th April 2025 09:05

Death of Werner Molders
 
Hi Guys

Werner Molders was supposed to have been killed as a passenger flying to the funeral of Ernst Udet(21st November 1941 1100 hrs), yet everything suggests his death was on 22nd November 1941 i.e the next day. I was unable to find the crash details on my losses mikrofilms.

Does anybody have the exact crash details please i.e aircraft works number, crew, unit and especially date/time of crash ?

Molders does not appear to have intended the funeral looking at photos, so are the dates wrong/returning but not attending something is amiss.

Kind Regards

P.S

Sorry when I use "O" umlaut message going into a spas attack !

Johannes

Chris Goss 30th April 2025 10:41

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
What I have:

In middle of August 1941, Oberst Mölders became the Inspekteur der Jagdflieger but on returning to Germany for a funeral on 22 November 1941 in a He 111 H-6, Wk Nr 4513, 1G+BT of 9./KG 27, flying into fog, the aircraft then suffered engine problems and crashed at Breslau-Schöngarten killing Mölders, Oblt Georg Kolbe (F) and Ofw Gerhard Hobbie (BM) with Ofw Arthur Tenz (BF) and Maj Paul Wenzel, Mölders Adjutant, being injured

VtwinVince 30th April 2025 18:03

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
I have the last known photo of Moelders and Kolbe, taken just prior to leaving the KG27 airfield. Let me know if you're interested in it.

edwest2 30th April 2025 19:10

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
When you need an umlaut, locate german typeit on your search engine.

Karoband 30th April 2025 19:12

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
The loss can be found on p. 0150 of RL 2-III/756. It was listed on 25.11.1941.

John Manrho 30th April 2025 21:18

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Crash was reported (NVM) on 22.11.1941 at 12.00 hrs.

Johannes 1st May 2025 10:34

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Thanks Guys

Molders missed the funeral, but pressed on regardless....at great cost. Regarding umlaut I can do ä(228), but it's only the "O"(246)that freaks-out this one computer !

Thanks again

Johannes

edwest2 1st May 2025 17:14

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Use this:

https://german.typeit.org/

Nick Beale 1st May 2025 17:27

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 344398)


Or if you're using a Mac, you just type [alt]+[u], then the letter you want the umlaut over.

Franek Grabowski 8th July 2025 14:37

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Moelders was killed at the outskirts of Breslau Gandau!

Stig Jarlevik 9th July 2025 22:21

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski (Post 345614)
Moelders was killed at the outskirts of Breslau Gandau!

Frankek

Silly question, but what was (is) the difference between Breslau-Gandau and Breslau-Schöngarten?
Both are todays Wroclaw or am I wrong here?

Tried the internet, but I feel like I am going round in circles.

Since you probably know, easier to ask....:o

Cheers
Stig

Franek Grabowski 9th July 2025 23:08

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
The difference is like between Heathrow and Gatwick. :)
Breslau Gandau was in the village Klein Gandau, now it is developed and known as Mały Gądów district within the city. Breslau Schoengarten was at the village Strachau, later Germanised to Schoengarten, and now still operational as Strachowice.
It is more less the place, I think.
51.13320881488889, 16.952192901323677

Stig Jarlevik 9th July 2025 23:26

Re: Death of Werner Molders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski (Post 345652)
The difference is like between Heathrow and Gatwick. :)
Breslau Gandau was in the village Klein Gandau, now it is developed and known as Mały Gądów district within the city. Breslau Schoengarten was at the village Strachau, later Germanised to Schoengarten, and now still operational as Strachowice.
It is more less the place, I think.
51.13320881488889, 16.952192901323677

Aha

So it was the same Breslau at least!
Good to know

Thanks Franek
Cheers
Stig


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