US air combat claims of the Vietnam war
 

Has someone ever matched up the US air combat claims vs known VPAF losses during the Vietnam War?

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I hope the following is helpful.


https://www.amazon.com/Gold-Stars-Ov...f_=as_li_ss_tl

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Thanks I see about getting the book. Is there a online listing of US victory claims of the Vietnam war?

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Hi James. This is Jan's list (US Air Force only) and another including USN-USMC; can't vouch for WIKI though.
Regards
Nick


http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories...ar-by.unit.pdf


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Vietnam_War

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Thanks I will try and match up some of the claims with known losses.

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James you can double-check all MIG claims in Study 146 (starting p.118); mostly F-4 / F-105.

Nick

https://www.dafhistory.af.mil/Portal...090529-060.pdf

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Here are some of the claims i was able to confirm by other sources:
Istvan Toperczer Mig 17 and 19 Units and Mig-21 Units
some from youtube Showtime 112

4 Apr 65 F-100 probable the VPAF had 3 pilots KIA this day can't if one of them was the probable.

17 Jun 65 2 VF-21 claims both okay

20 Jun 65 A-1 claim ok

10 Jul 65 2 45th TFS claim no losses

29 Jun 65 388th TFS claim no losses

18 Aug 65 34th TFS claim ok pilot KIA

2 Jan 67 Operation Bolo 7 claims 4 555th and 3 433rd TFSs 5 Mig-21s downed all pilots eject

6 jan 67 2 555th TFS claim both ok

10 Aug 672 VF-142 claims both ok see showtime 112

23 Aug 67 1 34th TFS claim no loss

3 Jan 72 2 claims 1 435th and 1 433rd TFS both ok

18 Jan 72 Air America Bell 205 pilot ted Moore and Glenn Woods with an AK-47 down 1 AN-2 and another was down by ground fire and them

9 May 68 1 VF-96 claim Ok

10 Jul 68 1 VF-33 claim ok

1 Aug 68 1 VF-51 claim ok

16 Apr 72 2 13th TFS and 1 523rd TFS claims ok

8 May 72 1 555th TFS claim ok

10 May 72 11 claims 6 VF-96 1 VF-92 1 VF-51 3 555th TFS vs losses 2 Mig-21, 3 Mig-17, 1 J-6 (PRC Mig-19) 1 Mig-21 damaged 20mm fire, 1 Mig-19 lost fuel pilot KIC

12 May 72 1 555th TFS claim ok

18 May 72 2 VF-161 claims both ok

23 May 72 1 35th TFS claim ok or possibly hit by SAM

2 jun 72 1 58th TFS ok pilot KIA

11 Jun 72 2 VF-51 claims ok

21 Jun 72 1 469th TFS claim ok

8 Jul 72 1 4th TFS and 2 555th TFS claims ok

15 Aug 72 1 336th TFS claim ok

9 Sep 72 3 555th TFS claims ok all Mig -19s

18 Dec 72 1 307th SW B-52D claim no loss

If anyone has any more info please post it

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Yotube Showtime 112:
12 June 1966 VF-211 1 claim no loss

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12 Jun 66 in looking over youtube Showtime 112 one source in the replies does say the Mig-17 was downed.

The same youtube reply has :
21 Jun 66 2 claims VF-211 the claim by Vampatella is most likely the Mig-17 loss for the day.

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21 Jul 67 from youtbe Showtime 112 3 USN F-8 claims 2 VF-24 and 1 VF-211. 3 North Korean pilots KIA this day

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Wait--North Korean pilots flew over NVN?? That is very new info. I had always heard that the NVAF always used it's own 'talent pool'.

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That's what Showtime 112 on youtube says. I have read about non North Vietnamese pilots flying combat against the US during this war over the years. This is the first where they give the names of the pilots.

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I, too had heard rumors of foreign pilots in the NVAF but it had always been 'poo-pooed' as just rumors and gossip.

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Perhaps try this article for more info: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publica...s-over-vietnam

Leendert

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It would be nice to know the dates ect when these men were KIA or KIFA

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North Korean?

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yes the North Korean pilots.

I think I read in warspot.ru about a Russian pilot KIFA over North Vietnam in the early 1970s.

Soldier of Fortune magazine November 1985 has an article "Soviet Cong" about Russians in both the 1st and 2nd Indo-china wars.

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I suggest the following: Clashes: Air Combat over North Vietnam, 1965 - 1972 by Marshall Michel III.


The Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club: Naval Aviation in the Vietnam War by Thomas McKelvey Cleaver.

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It's a very late response but I second 'Clashes' although there is a few drawbacks: no names are given (but I'm sure people can figure out who the persons if they know a bit of air war history) and the book has no lists breakdowns of the vics and losses by the USN and USAF.


As for McKelvey, some folks had problems with him inserting his political opinions into his book on the Korean Airwar, so I am going to hold off on his offerings.