Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Hello
On February 21, 1945, according to his flight log, Josef Keil, III./JG301, claimed a "Fortress" over Berlin. He took off from Sachau airfield at 4:13 p.m. and landed at 5:00 p.m. What could he have shot down? I can't find an answer.
Thank you very much for your help.
Rene

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

the only lost B-17s that day were of the 15th USAAF. 2nd BG attacking Vienna. both planes lost were heading towards Russian lines.
Third lost plane of 463rd BG was lost over Vienna as well.

THe 8th USAAF was over Nurnberg...quite far from Berlin...

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Hello René,

the claim of 21 Feb 45 ist categorized as one of the "unreliable claims" from Ofw. Keil.

Regards,
René

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Yes, this claim cannot be proven.
Thanks Peter and Rene

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Bundesarchiv file RL 2-II/388 (free to download) covers defence of the Reich and says that on 21 February in the West about 1,000 American four-engined bombers attacked Nürnberg. 600 more came from the South to attack Vienna.

The only "own operations" were four aircraft of 1 Jagd Division and 20 Me 262s against reconniassance aircraft over NW Germany and the Berlin area. Three successes were claimed. 20 more aircraft flew protection for Stendal aierodrome which was heavily occupied.

(This does not include operations against the Allies on the Western Front or in the East).

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Hello

Sorry if I hook up,

Is known when OFW. Josef Jupp Keil born and when

Greetings Frank

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Unfortunately, under RL 2-II/388 I don't find any entry in the Federal Archives, is there a link?

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

The claim list from the book JG 301/302 "Wilde Sau" by Willi Reschke has the claim on 20 Feb 1945. Could he have shot down another type of aircraft like a VVS IL-4?

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Hello,
The flight book shows a B-17


But what is the Typ VVS IL-4???
Russisch

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

Hi,

Here is the requested link.

https://invenio.bundesarchiv.de/inve...-868c87c4ef58/

Best regards

Luc

Re: Luftwaffe claim on 21.2.1945
 

VVS Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily Military Air Fleet

IL-4 Ilyshin IL-4 the standard Soviet WW II era twin engined Medium bomber. Note plane ID was sometimes very poor it could have been another type of 2 engine bomber

the 1945 German claims list points out the claim may have been for the 21 Feb 45

from the book Bagration to Berlin by Christer Bergstrom

In the East
20 Feb 45 the Germans claimed 54 Soviet aircraft for 11 losses
21 Feb 45 " " " 20 Soviet aircraft for 7 losses

Christer has a number of books out on the air war on the Eastern Front you can see sections of them and more at:

bergstrombooks.se/bc-rs/