Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

On 13 June 1943 F/Lt John Hall of No. 222 Squadron was shot down '35 miles E. of Manston' according Summary and ORB. This was in Spitfire BS405. Pilot POW on later date.
Looking for matching LW-claim, especially time (somewhere mid-morning) when this shoot down occurred.

Info welcome, thanks.

Leendert

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Ogefr Schoehl, 8./JG 26, 0955hrs 20km N. Dunkirk?

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Thanks, Chris. May match. Thing is that many/most websites say that Hall was shot down at 08.03 hrs nr Dinteloord, SW Holland, but I have my doubts.
Loss there may have been Sgt William Johnson of No. 541 Squadron in BS498 instead.

Leendert

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

The unofficial 222 Sqn diary might add some more. Wing took off 0830hrs, RV bombers Bradwell Bay, crossed coast east of Knocke. Orbit north of Antwerp, sweep Overflakkee to Flushing. Crossed coast at Westkapelle, orbit toward Bruges, crossed coast again at Blankenburg. Hall was then bounced by a lone Fw 190-Spitfire seen in a spin and on fire 35 miles east of Manston. Wing crossed coast at North Foreland and landed at 1025hrs. The other claim for a Spitfire was 0803hrs north of Bergen on Zoom by 5./JG 1 which doesn't match time and location-wise while Horst-Guenther Schoehl's claim seems more realistic. It was unconfirmed as it would appear he was alone and not witnessed

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Thanks for additional info, adding to my doubts about texts with Hall being shot down at 08.03 hrs near Dinteloord, also north of Bergen-op-Zoom.

Leendert

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

[quote=Leendert;Pilot POW on later date.
Leendert[/QUOTE]

Hi Leendert
All my sources (2nd hand) says he became POW the same day.
On which date DID he become a POW?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

All I have is Joe Hall was posed in from 122 Sqn 12 May 43 and then missing 13 June 43 "afterwards POW"

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Thanks Chris

So in reality he became POW the same day he went MIA

Cheers
Stig

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Stig, unless Hall was mistaken, he himself wrote 15 June 1943 as date of capture on his postwar questionnaire. Place of capture 'Schoven, Holland', which I interpret as Schouwen Island, Zeeland province. Brought ashore there if landed in sea?
A Walrus of 276 Squadron was sent on 13 June 1943 for a search of a downed Spitfire pilot, but no result.
Leendert

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

222 Sqn diary mentions Walrus but that is all

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Sgt Johnson's objective was the Dortmund-Ems Canal. He took off from Benson at 06:00. UK was using DBST (GMT+2) on 13 Jun 43 which was the same as MET so Hutter's claim (08:03) would match the probable location and time for Johnson on his return leg.

Schoehl's claim (09:55) seems too late to be Johnson's Spitfire and as Chris says a much better match for Hall's machine both for time and location.

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

ORB of No. 541 Squadron has that Johnson was (probably) shot down in the 'Rhudenall' area or spelling to that effect. Given the now sometimes frustrating 'corruption' of Continental place names in Allied reports, I suspect it to be Roosendaal in SW Holland.

A JG 1 report it says: II./ Jagdgeschwader 1
--//-- Im Laufe des Tages werden 7 Einsätze geflogen: 3 Rotteneinsätze, 1 Ketteneinsatz und
3 Gruppen einsätze mit 19, 17 und 15 Fw 190. Beim Rotteneinsatz von 0735 bis
0825 schoss Ofw. Hütter eine einzeln fliegende Spitfire ab.

Since Johnson flew alone and Hall in Squadron formation...

Leendert

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

Thanks Leendert

So either Hall stayed hidden for two days or he remembered the actual date wrong.

Makes little difference since the outcome was the same.
Glad he survived the ordeal

Cheers
Stig

Re: Luftwaffe claim - 13 June 1943 - Spitfire 222 Squadron
 

… or Hall was in his dinghy?