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Johannes 25th April 2026 10:14

Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Morning fellow enthusiasts

I was wondering if any specialist could please supply me with the Staffelkapitän of the short lived V./LG 1 which I believe became I./NJG 3 in October 1940.
Also grateful for a V./LG 1 losses list.

Kind Regards

Johannes

John Vasco 25th April 2026 11:18

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Johannes (Post 350538)
Morning fellow enthusiasts

I was wondering if any specialist could please supply me with the Staffelkapitän of the short lived V./LG 1 which I believe became I./NJG 3 in October 1940.
Also grateful for a V./LG 1 losses list.

Kind Regards

Johannes

You can find all of the losses of V.(Z).LG 1 in this book: https://wingleader.co.uk/books/zerstorer/


And also in this series of books by the same publisher: https://wingleader.co.uk/books/battl...hive-volume-2/

Chris Goss 25th April 2026 11:35

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
And of course there is Ludwig von Eimannsberger’s history of said unit

Johannes 25th April 2026 16:37

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Many thanks Chris and John....will do.

Kind Regards

Johannes

John Vasco 25th April 2026 23:23

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Ludwid von Eimannsberger's book on V.(Z)/LG 1 will still be available from Schiffer, I believe.
The Gruppenkommandeur was his uncle.

Johannes 28th April 2026 05:35

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Hi Guys

Many thanks for everybody's help. Purpose was to identify the claimant for a Morane on 03.04.1940 1222 uhr 6000 metres usually quoted as Oblt "Aussen" I really didn't think it was this and as an Oblt speculated he was the Staffelkapitän of 15./LG 1. I am 99% sure this is Walter Claußen(third claim), makes sense and explains why I couldn't find him with I./NJG 3 because he was killed on 22.04.1940.

Thanks again

Kind Regards

Johannes

Chris Goss 28th April 2026 09:59

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Von Eimannsberger makes no mention of this claim but there is an account of his death in an accident. He was replaced on 30 Apr 40 as St Kap by Oblt Emil Schnoor

Stig Jarlevik 28th April 2026 10:55

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Hi Johannes

Could be a co-incidence but Peter Taghon in his LG 1 Vol 1 book lists a claim on
2 April 1940 by Oblt Werner Methfessel at 12.22H in the Lunéville area.

Is that on your list as well? Strange in such a case as Taghon has no claim listed for April 3rd,
but the time of the claims for both days are exactly the same, to the minute...

Cheers
Stig

Chris Goss 28th April 2026 11:43

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Methfessel was St Kap 14 Staffel if that helps

Johannes 29th April 2026 05:25

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Hi Guys

No claim on the mikrofilms for 02.04.1940, but this is the A.S.M listings, however it seems to include all claims for certain units at certain times LG 1 being one of those units, moreover I believe all of V./LG 1's claims are listed from the French campaign until end of September 1940.

None of Methfessel's clams are listed on the mikrofilms, so we cannot be sure how accurate they are, or if accurate if they were confirmed, so could be the 02.04.1940 claim is in fact inaccurate and a confusion of that of 03.04.1940 ! Lot's of claims by gunners as well.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Stig Jarlevik 29th April 2026 09:18

Re: Staffelkapitän V./LG 1
 
Hi Guys

Checking the book written by Shores/Foreman/Ehrengardt/Weiss/Olsen (Fledgling Eagles - 1991) they are
quite certain this combat took place on April 2nd (not 3rd), most likely due to French data, including claims
and losses.

The same data, but much more elaborate, can be found in the earlier French book Les Aiglons (1983) where most
of the above authors had come together

In both books only Methfessel is mentioned when he claimed Adjutant Le Martelot.

Since I doubt any of the authors have simply invented the date names etc, they must have relied upon some
relevant information.

Thus checking all other books I have in French and also Cornwell's Battle over France, they all agree
that this action took place on April 2nd

The name of Methfessel is repeated every time.

Since April 3rd was quite a quiet day I can only conclude that the relevant actions and claims
really took place on the 2nd and not the 3rd

It would be interesting to know from where the name Werner Methfessel was taken since the claim read by
Johannes seems to be by someone else!

B Rgds
Stig


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