Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Hi Guys.
On 20/2/44 a prolonged air battle resulted in W/O Hammond claiming
1 109 and 1 Ju 88 as a gunner in Baltimore 'R' FA468.He was from 15 SAAF and I believe the 109 from JG VII/27 from Calato.
Did any 109 and Ju 88 unit put in a loss for this date.
15 sqn was on a recce in the Rhodes,Leros are.
I would like to tie up the units and pilots.
Thanks
Stefaan Bouwer

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Stefaan, the only loss with a Med. connection listed is

Bf 109G-6, 410526, Treu, Uffz. Walter, 1./JG 4, weiße 6 +, BX+ID*
2/20/1944, MIA, cause unknown., Mombeek, Sturmjäger, I, p.103
Albanian Sea

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Hi John.
Thanks for looking up the gen.
The crew believe the 109's came from Calato.
15 sqn came from Gambut area to Rhodes and the surrounding area.
Unless JG 4 was based in the area it seems unlikely that this was the one if they say Albanian sea
Do you know where the JG 4 109's were based??
Stefaan

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

According to Holm's site, confirmed by Mombeek, they were based as follows:

1./JG4 was based at Vignanello, 10.2.44 - late 2.44; 3./JG4 was based at Centocelle, 10.2.44 - late 2.44

BTW, I have no Ju 88 losses for that date.

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Hi.

II./J.G.27, a unit located at Kalamaki, near Athens in Greece, had three aircraft damaged on this day:

1: A category 4: Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy

2: A category 7: Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy

3: A category 23: Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight

The cat 4 and 7 would be possible matches for 'your' Bf 109's, haven't checked other sources for them yet, and as I am at work I do not have them handy.

Regards,
Andreas

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And according to Ultra, I./JG 4 was a Fabrica di Roma on 27 February, see http://www.ghostbombers.com/JG2/flifue2.html

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Thanks Andreas. What is the source(s) of your information?

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Hi guys.
John,this certainly is a probability.
Andreas,also what is your scourse.This cat 4 may be more likely as JG 27 have clashed with 15 sqn on numerous accasions before.Would like to know more about location and approx time.
Thanks
Stefaan

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Hi Andreas,

during 02.44 the II/JG27 was located in Wiesbaden-Erbenheim.
Your unit could be III/JG27 which was based in Malemes and suffered one non-operational loss on the 20.02.44 and claimed one Baltimore in the morning combat (around 09.00) SE of Rhodos.
The IV/JG27 was on this time in Nisch and suffered no losses on the 20.02.44.
Source: Prien Bf109 im Einsatz bei der III und IV/JG27.

Regards

Robert

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Hi Robert.
That's it.
The Baltimore lost was 'K' FA554 with Lt de Bryun Otto as pilot, and crew.The pilot that put in the claim was Uffz Gunther Striebel of 7/27.
Do you know who the Pilot of the 109 was,and Id of the 109?
Thanks
Stefaan

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Hi,

unfortunately no pilot`s name only:

III/JG27 NN Bf109G-6 W.Nr.140074 lost on combat mission without enemy influence, place unknown

Regards

Robert

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Hi, guys.

Sorry, mixed up II. and III. Gruppe in my notes. References are Summarische Verlustemeldungen for JG 27 (which is in all respects a reflection of the losses noted for a given unit in the GenQu reports).

But I still believe that the aircraft that clashed with the 15 Sqn was most likely III./J.G.27, as it should have been in my original post. As Robert said, the only loss reported for this unit on the mentioned date was a cat 20 - Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight.

Regards,
Andreas

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

Hi Guys.
Thanks.
I'll write that it was the most likely a/c
Thanks for the help.
I am still having big problems with the 88's.
They clashed with 15,16 24 sqdn regularly.
Will look up some Ju 88 units and see who was in the erea.
Stay well
Stefaan

Re: Bf 109/Ju88 loss MTO
 

unfortunately no pilot`s name only:

III/JG27 NN Bf109G-6 W.Nr.140074 lost on combat mission without enemy influence, place unknown



This one hs been damaged = hard landing on 27 dec. 43

remi