Yak-9P
 

Does anyone know if any Yak-9P's are left or are in museums?

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Yes , there are four :
one on display at the Yakovlev OKB Museum in Moskva (Moscow)
this machine is often 'borrowed' by the Zhukovskiy Institute and can be seen at Monino.
the are two in Poland , one in Warsaw and the other in Krakow.
the final one is on display in Sofia , Bulgaria

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Monino's aircraft is an ex-Bulgarian or Rumanian I believe. In Poland, one is in Warsaw and another in Gdynia.

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Thank you.

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that shows you that I have never been to Poland :o
I would be very interested in any info you have about the 'past life' of any of these museum treasures.

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If you get Classic Wings issue 46, it has all known surviving original Yaks, and what is known (after considerable research, which often didn't turn up very much!) about them.
http://www.classicwings.com/issues/past11.htm

Dave

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Here is one that has recently arrived in the UK.

I photographed it a few weeks back.

Of course that may be the reason for your request.:)

PeterA

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../Img_8267a.jpg

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Peter,
Thank You for posting that very nice image !

may I ask a question ?

is there a Soviet Production number on this plane?
the middle three digits would be 153 or 166.

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This isn't really my field of expertise but I was told it was the 35th one down the production line if that helps.

PeterA

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The so-called Yak-9P that recently arrived in the UK is definitely not a Yak-9P. This was the same aircraft that Richard Goode had tried to sell for a number of years as a Yak-9U. The data plate is not a main data plate, it is a plate from a system or component of an aircraft, of which that are over 100 on the aircraft. The are supple differences on the airframe that are not on a P model. It was exported out of Russia as a "full scale model airplane", not as a Yak-9P. The engine and its cowling are not P.
The aircraft was put together from a number of Yak parts.

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I can confirm WB coments after speaking to one of the team who helped 'restore' the aircraft, it does have an original aft fuselage and started out as a bare frame and wing spars. All skins were manufactured at Orenburg in the nineties and the cowling is 'fictional'

Dave

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Sadly some of them are not treated as a treasure.
Here are some pictures, I took in Gdynia a few months ago

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Gentlemen,
Thank You for your additional responses to this topic.
I had hoped that this might have been an original Yak-9 finally getting a long overdue restoration, but as usual it is more 'revisionist history'

with this few original parts it will probably be impossible to determine what model of Yak-9 this was originally.

I have seen other photos of this same machine (Gdyna) taken by someone else, but your photos are nice , too.

this is another example of a very prized and precious (at least to me) aircraft that has been left to become a derelict at the hands of Mother Nature.
this aircraft deserves to be brought indoors for a full Restoration and then to remain indoors for display.

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Hi,
One complete YAK 9P was preserved at Yugoslav Aviation Museum ,waiting to be restored and exposed, its post WWII all metal YAK 9P serialed 2826/26 c/n 04-36.

Also YAK-3 serialed 2252/52 c/n 8545 was in same museum and was exposed within other WW II fighters collection (Spitfire,Hurricane, Me109,Thunderbolt...)

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I am only an year late for the thread :D, but want to say, there is no Yak-9P in Bulgaria. There used to be one, but long ago /probably in the 70's?/ the Big Brother - USSR - requested it... you know, the Big Brother's requests could not be ignored ;), so it was shipped to the USSR and a common and useless Lisunov arrived in return. There is only one single Yak-9 left in Bulgaria, in the Aviation museum - and it is not a P.

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There's a Yak-9P at the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum in Pyongyang. It was, of course, the main fighter type of the North Korean AF at the start of the Korean War in 1950. Here's a u-tube video with brief view of it around 2:50 into the clip; I've seen photo's which show it more clearly but unfortunately can't find them at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftFFH4M-nJo

Joe

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Yasig,
Thank You for an update/correction of this information.
on my hard-drive there are numerous high-quality photos of the Yak-3 taken by a native who went there to do research on Yak fighters.
(although this is the first time I have seen the Factory Production number)

this is also the first I've heard of Yak-9P 0415336 (2826) as being scheduled for restoration and display.(and Thank You for providing the
Factory Production Number here , too. '153' is often times omitted and replaced by '-' )

Theodor,
I am sorry you lost this precious aviation artifact , but Thank You for this information. so we now know where Monino's machine came from.
I would also be interested in anything you can provide on this 'other Yak'
is that a Yak-9U by any chance? if so it might be the only original one in the world.

JoeB,
Thank You for this link.
it seems to show a Yak-18 , La-9 and Yak-9P ,but I wish there were more images and details.
I would like to know more about all of these aircraft for model-building purposes.

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I think it is a Yak-9U. Needs some restoration. Here are a couple of photos:

http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=9153

http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=9154

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Looks like 9P for me. Anyway, was not there a twin seater in a museum in Bulgaria? I recall seeing a photo of it together with Il-2.

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This is the single Yak-9 in Bulgaria. And together with it the only left IL-2 in the country. By the way this is an older photo, showing the Yak with a different and not well made canopy:

http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=3596

And the Il-2

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Oh, it could be the very aircraft, I have seen the photo years ago. Thanks

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Thanks again for great photos!
is the Yak-9U/P wing metal or wood?
(the Yak-9U had a wooden wing and the Yak-9P had a metal wing)

it is possible that this plane is made from parts of both a Yak-9U and a Yak-9P.

the aft fuselage of this plane is certainly from a Yak-9P as you can just make out a trapezoid-shaped access panel near the National Marking.
the Yak-9U had a wooden fuselage that did not have this door.
(only the other door closer to the tail-wheel that was common on all Yak's)

the 'worn paint' version is a larger and clearer image of the one I also remember.

I'm also very interested in the Il-2 , do you know if this one is authentic?
some of the contours of the nose do not look right , but the rest looks very authentic.
does this plane have a metal aft fuselage?
I thought I saw a panel line there?
during the war two-seat Shturmoviks had wooden rear fuselages ,but after the war metal replacement tails were fitted to extend service life.

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Unfortunately I do not know those things. The Il-2 is planned for partial restoration, most likely in 2009. Fixing external damages, repainting, sealing, etc. Not a major restoration, but for sure will make it look better and not deteriorate further at least for a decade. A group of local enthusiasts does it with their own money and hands, here is their work on a Mig-17 in the Museum. For sure the work on the Il-2 is much more, but will be done, too! They plan to restore first a couple of Yak-23 and a few more birds and then will come the turn of the Il-2.

Here, Before /it was even worse than seen on the photo/ and After:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6439/beforecx4.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9351/sledwk7.jpg

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Thank You , Theodor
do you have any idea how to get in contact with this museum and/or this restoration team?
the problem here is that I only read/write/speak English.

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The museum - difficult!

But the aviation enthusiasts - you can register and write here: http://airgroup2000.com/forum/index.php?f=4

You can write in English, many people speak it.

If you can't read how to register, you an send me by PM a username and some password, also maybe your Email address - and I can complete the registration.

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I think that there were full metal Yak-9Us and it depended on production batch/block. Theodor, could you verify if the MiG is actually a Polish built LiM-5P? I know that some Polish built aircraft were delivered to Bulgaria.
By the way, do you know where to ask about agent drops and aerial incursions into Bulgaria during the Cold War?

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NO !
much of the Yak-9U program was 'stolen' from the Yak-3.
this means wooden skins for the wings and a rear fuselage made mostly from wood.
(both the skin and the structural stringers)

the Yak-9P has a wing with metal spars and skins.
the first 29 or 30 (one serial number is repeated(?)) Yak-9P's has wooden rear fuselages, the ex-Bulgarian machine currently on display at Monino is one of these.
the wooden rear fuselage confuses a lot of people and they often mis-label it a Yak-9U.

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Indeed it looks Yak-9Us were plywood covered, but longerons were metal in all Yak-9s and fuselage's structure was always steel, 30HGSA alloy I believe.

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I do not know /have very little interest in postwar kites/, but will ask and tell here. As for the Cold War, I will start a thread about that and see if will get any reaction. If get information I will translate and put here.

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Moderators please excuse me for dragging the thread in non-Yak direction, but anyway the Yak discussion was an old one :)

The guys are helpful, gave information about the 17 - this one is Soviet. And there are at least 3 examples of lim-5 preserved in the country - one in the same Aviation museum, one at the entrance of the Besmer af base and one in Bresovo /it is on the photo here:/

http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=5961

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Thanks for both. The LiM looks a little bit sad, but it has a very interesting markings!

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I think the markings are all wrong. After 1990 on many monument and museum aircraft the red star was replaced with the 3-color roundel. No matter of the bad feelings I have about the red stars, I think the aircraft must have the stars and nothing else, after all it was the official AF emblem when the aircraft flew.

The condition is not bad. With some work and care will shine like new. This is sad:

http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=13923

And this is sad: http://pic.bgspotters.net/?id=13919

a shame what became of those old birds! Those two MIGs had the bad luck to be monuments in some wild villages /where some commie partisan or pilot was born, most likely/ and this is the result.

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Indeed, a sorry sight. Crossing fingers someone will come to their rescue. By the way, does anything of pre-war and wartime Bulgarian aviation survive? I mean bits and pieces, as I believe only Ar 196 survived untouched (how?).

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Sadly, only the Arado survived from all the WW2 aircraft. A lot of the Me-109 and all the Do-17 were handled to Yugoslavia postwar in the late 40's /as well as some Bulgarian-made aircraft and some Il-2/. Everything else was scrapped!

A few Arado-196 were retired from the AF and given to the Black sea fishing fleet, to look for fishing areas from the air. Those were used until the late 50's if remember right and then one was given to the Marine Museum at Varna. There it stood till the beginning of the 80's. Then a group of Soviet officials came to visit the museum. A Marshal and some other high ranks. The Marshal got a bit angry, that an aircraft used to chase Soviet submarines is there on display. The Director of the museum hurried to give an order - the fashist machine must be gone within a day! And indeed it was roughly disassembled and transported to some military range out of town, waiting to be scrapped. Fortunately it was not sent to scrap immediately, but forgotten there lay in pieces for 2-3 years. Finally in the mid-80s a Museum of Aviation was created and the enthusiastic "fathers" of the museum went and brought the Arado to safety! Some restoration was needed, especially the skin of the tail part is not well made. Not only the tin needs to be fixed - I have heard the board instruments went missing while it was still in the navy museum. But after all the aircraft did survive!!! With some money and some more money, it can be very well restored :)

Unlike all else! As said, all were scrapped! Last year a vertical rudder from Ju-52 was found in some old military factory and brought to the museum. Also a Czech Smolik - most of the piping for the structure of the body, cut to pieces, can be restored very well. That is all. Nothing else. I have 3-4 board instruments and 2 clocks, some other people have aircraft clocks and other instruments panel parts /that is what people kept from the machines - board instruments/ - and that is all left from hundreds of aircraft!

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Thanks, impressive history!

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Surprisingly, with 2 days of work the Yak got a new paint! This guy Valko has endless energy! He did it himself, with only one more man. Riveted some lose tin parts, sanded the thick paint to make the surface smooth and repainted to a new - this time correct! - camo scheme. The photos that you saw earlier in the thread show wrong paint on the Yak. And now, this is the correct:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7237/img0474cp7.jpg

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7787/img0451la0.jpg

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Thank You for posting these fine photographs!

I know of 2 on-line aviation forums that specialize in Soviet aircraft of this period that would be interested in providing an external link to a 'walk-around' gallery of images.

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So, it is ready! Paint finished, technical texts applied, the canopy sealed and etc. This guy Valko, who did himself it as a personal project, did a great work!!!!!


Oh, and by the way, it is a Yak-9P ;)

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/001.JPG

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/007.JPG

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/008.JPG

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/009.JPG

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/010.JPG

Why so sure it is a P? Here:

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/002.JPG

http://airgroup2000.com/gallery/albu.../10070/003.JPG

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Yes , I agree Valko did fantastic work!

I'm not sure what I am looking at but it has a large Cyrillic "P" there
if your computer can display it , the letter looks like this : П
if it were a "U" it would look like this : У