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Ruy Horta 10th March 2005 23:21

Forum Calendar...help me fill it please
 
It would be nice to fill this calendar with dates which have an historic meaning, some are obvious D-Day, Adler Tag, VJ day etc. But some may be less obvious like the death of Moelders, the launch of the first V2 or the liberation of Auschwitz.

So could you please help me make a list with dates that you would like to see commemorated?

Perhaps there is someone who really like this concept and would like to an active partcipant, finding and filling special dates. Please let me know.

IMHO it would add a nice historic flavor.

Peter Kassak 11th March 2005 09:37

15AF dates
 
Hi Roy

Good idea...and I as a 15.AF enthusiast (Air war central europe respectively) want to add NOvember 1st 1943 as 15.AF build on paper, 2nd NOv 1943 as their first mission, perhaps as well July 7th, 1944 - first raid by 15AF to Blechhammer - one of the fearest targets on the north...;)

peter:)

Sergio Luis dos Santos 11th March 2005 17:57

I would suggest two dates of significance to Brazilian Air Force in WW II. Being the sole South American Air Force to enter combat in Europe it´s worth mentioning.

1 - December 18 (1943) First Fighter Aviation Group of Brazilian Air Force is created.

2 - April 22 (1945) Fighter Aviation Day: On this date the 1ºGAvCa (First Fighter Aviation Group) realised 44 combat missions in a single day.

The complete history can be read here: http://www.rudnei.cunha.nom.br/FAB/en/index.html

Enter History, then At Wat.

Andy Mac 11th March 2005 18:49

15th September 1940 Battle of Britain Day

robert_schulte 12th March 2005 09:37

Hi all,
I have collected some dates, hope it does not look too boastful :roll:

3. Sept. 1939: Great Britain and France declare war against Third Reich
17. Sept. 1939: Soviet Union attacks Poland
20. Nov. 1939: First flight of Heinkel He 177
9. Apr. 1940: Start of “Unternehmen Weserübung”
10. May 1940: Start of the West Offensive, Winston Churchill new Prime Minister in London
14. May 1940: Bombardment of Rotterdam
27. May – 4. June 1940: Evacuation of British troops at Dunkerque
14. June 1940: Occupation of Paris, first political prisoners arrive at Oswiecim
22. June 1940: German-French armistice at Compiègne
13. Aug. 1940: “Adlertag”
15. Sept. 1940: “Battle-of-Britain-Day”
14. Nov. 1940: Bombardment of Coventry
9. Jan. 1941: First flight of Avro Lancaster
2. Apr. 1941: First flight of Heinkel He 280
10. May 1941: Rudolf Heß flies to Great Britain
15. May 1941: First flight of Gloster Whittle E.28/39
20. May 1941: Start of German invasion against Crete
27. May 1941: Sinking of “Bismarck”
22. June 1941: Start of German invasion against the Soviet Union
16. July 1941: First members of the “Blue Division” arrive in Germany
3. Sept. 1941: First use of “Zyklon B” in Oswiecim
17. Nov. 1941 : Ernst Udet commits suicide
22. Nov. 1941: Werner Mölders dies in a plane crash
7. Dec. 1941: Japanese attack against Pearl Harbor
11. Dec. 1941: Germany declares war to the USA
23. Feb. 1942: Arthur Harris becomes commander-in-chief of the BC
28. March 1942: First area bombardment of RAF against Lübeck
30. May 1942: First “1000-bomber-attack” against Cologne
6. Nov. 1942: First flight of Heinkel He 219
23. June 1943: First powered flight of Messerschmitt Me 163B
10. July 1943: “Operation Husky”, Allied troops land in Sicily
18. July 1942: First flight of Me 262 solely on jet power by Fritz Wendel
3. Oct. 1942: First test flight of the “A-4” rocket
8. Nov. 1942: Operation “Torch”, Allied troops land in Morocco and Algeria
2. Feb. 1943: Final capitulation of 6. Army at Stalingrad
30. July 1943: First flight of Arado Ar 234
24. July 1943: Beginning of “Operation Gomorrha”, Allied air raids against Hamburg
3. Sept. 1943: Allied troops land on continental Italy
8. Sept. 1943: Capitulation of Italy
6.June 1944: D-Day
13. July 1944: First flight of Focke Wulf Ta 152

All the best
Robert

Christer Bergström 12th March 2005 10:40

What about these dates:

15 July 1941: Werner Mölders becomes the first to reach 100 victories in WW II.

26 Sept 1942: Hermann Graf becomes the first to reach 200 victories in WW II.

25 July 1944: Helmut Lent becomes the first to reach 100 night victories. (Total number 108, including 8 victories in daytime.)

24 Aug 1944: Erich Hartmann becomes the first to reach 300 victories in WW II.

Ruy Horta 12th March 2005 23:04

Saves me a lot of time looking up stuff myself, thanks for the community effort!

JeffK 15th March 2005 10:05

Ruy,

Will youn accept info "garnered" from a Confederate Air Force calendar??

Over 90% of the days have a WW2 related comment.

JeffK 15th March 2005 10:25

Example of march Entries.

March 1 1942 - US War & Navy Departments announce that commanders of Army & Navy forces in Hawaii at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack will be court-martialed.
March 2 1943 - Battle of the Bismark Sea , low level skip bombing by B25's & A20's, supported by "British" Beauforts, American & Australian fighters - attack Japanese convoy carrying reinforcements & supplies to New Guinea (note: I dont remember any Brits being involved, the Beauforts were Aussie, as were the Beufighters not mentioned plus some USAAF B17's)
March 4 1944 - Approx 600 USAAF B17 & B24's mount the first Daylight raid on Berlin.
March 4 1945 - 192 B29's of USAAF 21 Bomber Command attack the Mushashino aircraft factory in Tokyo, the last precision raid over Japan, from now on they rely on carpet bombing.
March 5 1936 - The first flight of the Spitfire.
March 5 1943 - The stat of the "Battle of the Ruhr". First large scale use of "OBOE"
March 6 1944 - "Battle of Berlin", highest casualty toll of any 8th Air Force mission.
March 8 1942 - Last combat mission (by 2 Hurricanes) in Java, Island surrenders next day.
March 9 1945 - Incindiary raid by B29's on Tokyo, 80,000 dead
March 14 1941 - Japanese "Zeros" escort a raid on Chengtu, longest distance for a fighter mission to date.
March 18 1945 - Mitscher's Fast carrier Fllet attackes Japanes Fleet in Kure-Kobe area, Japanese respond including the forst "Okha" attacks.
March 19 1940 - British aircraft drop their first bombs on Germany (deliberatly) in a raid on the Seaplane base at Hornum.
March 21 1941 - 99th Pursuit Squadron of the USAAC is activated, The first all African-American unit.
March 24 1945 - The 15th Air Force's (USAAF) longest bonmber escort mission is flown, 1600 mile round trip to Berlin, by 332nd Fighter Group, African-American pilots.
March 27 1939 - First flight of the CAC Wirraway (One shot down a Zeke!!)
March 30 1939 - Heinkel He100 raises world airspeed record to 463.92mph
March 30 1945 - Defecting pilot delivers an Me 262A-1 to the USAAF
March 31 1944 - Admiral Koga, succesot to Yamamoto as Commander in Cjief of Japan's Air & Naval force dies when his aircraft crashes on the way to Mindinao.

Franek Grabowski 15th March 2005 15:26

Mhmm, I am not sure what 'liberation' of Auschwitz had to aviation but it must be noted here that it was only a change of ownership. The camp was taken over by Soviets and became a transition point for Poles, mostly soldiers of Home Army before transportation to Gulags in Siberia.
Also a statement 'first political prisoners arrive at Oswiecim' needs some comment - actually decisive was Polish nationality and education but of course there were plenty of people involved in underground went there as well, including airmen like płk. Juliusz Gilewicz, who organised escapes for the airmen from Poland tio France. 'Political prisoners' does not sound very fortunate for me.
And of course I am surprised there was no mention of 1.09.1939!

Ruy Horta 15th March 2005 16:58

Franek,

This thread is not about debates but dates.

No mention of 1-9-39...

You could have mentioned it, right?

Ruy Horta 15th March 2005 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffK
Ruy,

Will youn accept info "garnered" from a Confederate Air Force calendar??

Over 90% of the days have a WW2 related comment.

To make it managable I'd opt for "epic" dates first, granted that this is subjective matter, but first Wirraway combat flight seems to be less important than the attack on Poland, the aerial bombardement of Rotterdam, the opening of Barbarossa or D-Day.

But as time goes by we could fill it to our liking.

I'm still looking at how to implement this feature.

But thanks for the imput!

robert_schulte 15th March 2005 17:42

Quote:

'Political prisoners' does not sound very fortunate for me.
Franek,
sorry, surely this was not meant to be offensive. It is just a quote from a book "Chronik des zweiten Weltkriegs", where it says:
"In the former Polish barracks facilities in the vicinity to Auschwitz (Oswiecim), located between Kattowice and Krakow, the first political prisoners are interned. Affected are 728 Polish prisoners from Tarnow. Many of them had been arrested at the eastern border, from where they hat attempted to escape via Hungary to the West and mainly to France."
Maybe this book is not as accurate as it should be :roll:
But let's keep with the dates :wink:

Here are some more:
27. Jan, 1943: First US-daylight-attack against Wilhelmshaven
16/17. May 1943: The Dam raids, the Möhne and Eder dams are breached
13. Aug. 1943: First attack against Austrian territory
10. June 1944: Destruction of the village Oradour-sur-Glane by the SS, 642 inhabitants are killed, only 7 survive
12. June 1944: First V-1 against London
8. Sept. 1944: First V-2against London
11. Sept. 1944: First US-troops on German soil
17. Sept. 1944: Operation Market Garden
12. Nov. 1944: Sinking of "Tirpitz"
16. Dec. 1944: Start of "Battle of the Bulge"
13./14. Feb. 1945: Destruction of Dresden
29. Mar. 1945: Last V-1 hits Great Britain
20. Apr. 1945: Last strategic bomber attack against Berlin
25. Apr. 1945: American and Soviet troops meet at Torgau
29. Apr. - 7. May 1945: Operation Manna, supply flights of the RAF for the Dutch civilian population
2/3. May 1945: Last air attack against a German city (Kiel)


Best wishes
Robert

JeffK 16th March 2005 09:55

Re: Forum Calendar...help me fill it please
 
Ruy,
I assumed that this was a Forum which covered aircraft in WW2?? I assumed all knew about the dates relating to the start of the war.

I suppose some of these need taking out as well.
April 1 1939 - First flight of Mitsubishi Zero Sen (Zero/Zeke) (One was shopt down by a Wirraway)
April 2 1941 - RAF drops 75,000 tea bags over The Nederlands, each is printed with "Holland will arise, Keep your Courage up"
April 6 1945 - Kamikaze offensive reaches a peak with 355 suicide sorties launched.
April 7 1943 - Marine Lt James E Swett , on his first combat mission, shot dwn 7 Japanese "Vals" over Guadalcanal.
April 7 1945 - "Yamato"is sunk during the Battle of the East China Sea
April 10 1942 - RAF Bomber Command drops first 2 ton bomb during night raid on Essen.
April 12 1935 - First Succesful flight of the Bristol Blenheim
April 18 1942 - Doolittle raid on Japan.
April 18 1943 - Yamamoto is shot down and killed.
April 20 1945 - B29 bombers destroy Mushashi aircraft plants halting production of Ki-841a Hayate fighters
April 24 1942 - Luftwaffe begins "Baedeker" raids on England
April 26 1937 - Condor Legion bombs Guernica
April 26 1939 - bf109R sets new world air speed record of 469.22mph
April 29 1945 - First flight of CAC-17 Mustang

Franek Grabowski 16th March 2005 16:33

Re: Forum Calendar...help me fill it please
 
Ruy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruy Horta
This thread is not about debates but dates.

Yes, it is but should we put every date possible here?

Quote:

No mention of 1-9-39...
You could have mentioned it, right?
So I did, nonetheless I am surprised nobody did not mention most important date of WWII.

Robert

No offense taken, nonetheless I am constantly disgusted with the way, history of so many is treated with Western literature. Hence my points.

Here are other impiortant dates.

23.08.1939 Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact
1.09.1939
German attack on Poland and subsequently start of WWII.
First kill of WWII by Frank Neubert - first victim - Mieczysław Medwecki.
First Allied kill - He 111 downed by Aleksander Gabszewicz and Andrzej Niewiara.
First terroristic attack on a civilian target - Wieluń.
4.09.1939
Stanisław Skalski becomes an ace - the first one in WWII.
14.09.1939
Hannes Gentzen becomes an ace - the first Axis one in WWII.
28.11-1.12.1943
Teheran conference
4-11.02.1945
Yalta conference
27.03.1945
16 members and representatives of Polish government were arrested, after they arrived for 'negotiations' with Soviet gen. Serov, plenipotentiary of Stalin. They were trialled on 18–21.06.1945 in Moscow, accused of collaboration with Germany and treason of Soviet Union.
28.06.1945
France first recognises communistic puppet government of occupied Poland, a week later is followed by UK and USA.
20/21.10.1963 during operation of communistic secret services at Stary Majdan, the last Polish partisan, Józef Franczak "Lalek", was killed. He was in combat since 1939.
17.01.1993
Soviet occupation forces leave Poland.

Sergio Luis dos Santos 16th March 2005 17:58

Re: Forum Calendar...help me fill it please
 
I can´t understand some dates posted here!

Since 12 O´Clock High is an aviation forum why so many non aviation related dates may be posted in the callendar?
So any date of any fact could be placed here, like Launching of ship "X"... sunk of ship "Y". Ground or Water Battle dates... Any sea or ground attack date...
That´s my opinion.

Ruy Horta 16th March 2005 18:23

Re: Forum Calendar...help me fill it please
 
Lets not turn this into a debate.

Right know there are plenty of suggestions, enough for for thought.

Thanks to all who participated, but first we must get everything nice and tidy on the forum anyway.


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