Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Good morning or good night for all!
Please, I would like to obtain more DATA about the werknummer, codes, Squadron and name of the crew of the He 111 that took Obst Werner Moelders to the funeral of Ernst Udet and eventually crashed at Breslau, taking the life of "Vatti".
I know ( from The First and the last ) that Oberleutnant Kolbe was piloting and that he was a former Condor Legion member.
What were the names of the mechanic and of the radio-operator and also the name of the aide-de-camp of Moelders?
Thanks in advance...

There are some journalists here in Brazil saying in books and magazines that Moelders was flying the He 111....

Re: Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

WerkNR 4513, Tactical 1G+BT, from KG 27. Additionaly Maj Wenzel wonded.

Best regards

Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Hello Adriano and Igor

Passengers on the He 111 included Oberleutnant Georg Kolbe who was the pilot, Mölders, his assistant Major Wenzel, the mechanic Oberfeldwebel Hobble and the radio operator Oberfeldwebel Arthur Tenz. All were killed except Wenzel. The aircraft was of III./KG 27. Igor, many thanks for the werknummer.

Horrido!

Leo

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Hi,

from KG27 diary I have the information, that two people survived, radio operator and gunner + Wenzel (??).
Yes III group, 9. Staffel

Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Hello Igor

Do you know the subtype of He 111 it was? Thanks for the information that it was of 9./KG 27. The information I have states that the radio operator was mortally wounded but I would go with the KG 27 diary.

Horrido!

Leo

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Hi Leo,

not exactly but IIRC at the time KG27 use H-3 and H-6.

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Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Hello Igor

Many thanks for your information. I have been wanting to know the werknummer of this aircraft for some time and now I have it thanks to you. Many thanks to you and Adriano.

Horrido!

Leo

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Many many thanks to all those who helped us with this thread. I suppose this is the main reason of the forum: share information, help and enlight doubtful information published. Everybody grows with this system, everybody learn a bit more and find out FRIENDS who have the same interests and doubts we do.
I am indeed very grateful to all those who have helped me so far. I wish to contribute and help others in the same way, as far as my knowledge permit me.
May you have a nice week! Cheers for all!
A. Baumgartner

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I have it as A subtype H-6

Cheers Peter

Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Hello guys

Many thanks Peter for your information. Every little bit helps and I greatly apperciate everyone chipping in. Adriano, my sentiments exactly and well said.

Horrido!

Leo

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Holá Leo and all the other participants of this thread,

according to Fritz von Forell, the author of the book "Mölders und seine Männer" and the post war book "Werner Mölders, die Geschichte des großen Jagdfliegers", the radio operator OFw Artur Tenz was only slightly wounded. So we have two survivers of the crash - it is astonishing to me that so less is published about it. I attach a very faded photo of the crashed He 111 H-6 near Breslau, which I scanned from the above mentioned book. The fuselage lies upside down and the cockpit is broken away.

Cheers
hihotte

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Hihotte,
Thank you a lot for giving us the final piece of information: the name of the radio-operator! Yes, it is indeed a piece of History that nobody take in account. Was it because it was a pilot error or simply fatality?
I think that being a former Condor Legion pilot, Oblt Kolle would not made great mistakes. The sole one I consider on this last flight was that Moelders insisted on the take off, even knowing that the pilot of the Heinkel was against it for weather reasons! Foolish...We heard a lot of that nowadays: people tha die because of pressure and because do not want to loose time....Statistics in Brazil say about 40,000 killed a year in car accidents!
Well, thank you again for the name of the radio operator!
Bye
A. Baumgartner

Werknummer + Squadron He 111 Moelders died on
 

Hello guys

Many thanks Hilotte for the photograph of the crashed He 111 H-6. This thread has been most helpful to me. I am including a scan of a photograph included in Weal's JG 51 book by Osprey. I hope that I am not violating any copyrights by doing this. It shows Mölders preparing to leave Kherson for Berlin on 21 November 1941. From left to right: Hauptmann Hans-Henning Freiherr von Beust, Gruppenkommandeur of III./KG 27, Mölders and Oberfeldwebel Arthur Tenz. The caption states that Tenz did indeed survive the accident along with Major Wenzel. I assume that the He 111 is the one that later crashed. This may be one of the last photographs of Mölders while alive.

Horrido!

Leo

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I have an orignal photo taken by former Oberfeldwebel Karl-Heinz Bartsch of KG 27 showing Moelders and Beust just prior to Moelders leaving the airfield. It must also be one of the last of Moelders. I sent a copy to his brother Viktor.

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@VtwinVince: Is there any chance to attract you to scan your photo and post it here? I fear that the copy to Viktor will vanish as time goes by and we "members" of this thread are surely keen to have a look on it.
@Leo and Adriano: would it help you to scan the few pages of the accident report out of the book? It is written in german but maybe you could find an interpretor.
@ all: just as a sidestep - in the post war years the rumours about a possible sabotage on the He 111 carried out by the NSDAP never stopped.
Mölders was known as a Defender of the Catholic Church against the NSDAP.
cheers
hihotte