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edwest

12th March 2007 20:45

Photos 3-12

Parabellum

12th March 2007 23:02

Re: Photos 3-12

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=200088288808

Incredible one! Me 109 T from 9/JG2 !? Never heard about such a plane with JG 2 till now! Who knows more?

Parabellum

12th March 2007 23:08

Re: Photos 3-12

Another 109 T ? :confused:
Look at the shape of the air intake!
Any other advice?

Parabellum

12th March 2007 23:39

Re: Photos 3-12

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=250093036844

May be a belgian Fairey Fox VI...

Kjetil Aakra

13th March 2007 10:23

Re: Photos 3-12

Parabellum, that is NOT a Bf 109T! What makes you think that? Wings are normal span.

If this:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300090067470

is the other one you suspect is a Bf 109T, it is not. The shape of the air intake is not standard for Emils, sure, but this type was retrofitted to BOTH Bf 109Ts and Es after about 1942.

This 109 lacks the one positive identifying fuselage feature of the Bf109T, the circular compass access hatch seen between fuselage frames 2 & 3 as also used on later Bf 109 versions.

I'd be a very happy person if new Bf 109T photos appeared (in fact its one of the reasons I'm looking though Ed's excellent postings), but they have been few and far between!

Regards,

Kjetil

F19Gladiator

13th March 2007 12:14

Re: Photos 3-12

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300090067470
This photo appeared earlier at eBay with info that it was from "Juteborg". Obviously a training aircraft marking.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300090692958
Is it the top part of a JG 54 "Green Heart" visible right under the cockpit, seen as two thin white arches?

F19Gladiator

13th March 2007 12:34

Re: Photos 3-12

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=200088297192
Can someone identify the emblem on the cowling on this Bf 109 F.
A reconnaissance unit - or what?

John Beaman

13th March 2007 14:34

Re: Photos 3-12

Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator (Post 39531)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300090692958
Is it the top part of a JG 54 "Green Heart" visible right under the cockpit, seen as two thin white arches?

This may be Uffz Alfred Dettke who lost a similarly marked machine on April 28 '42. He crashlanded due to flak. However, he was not officially credited with his 11th victory until October, so there is some doubt about this being his machine.

Dénes Bernád

13th March 2007 15:06

Re: Photos 3-12

Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator (Post 39532)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=200088297192
Can someone identify the emblem on the cowling on this Bf 109 F.
A reconnaissance unit - or what?

Without having my references handy (I'm at work :) ), I'd say it's the Black Demon emblem of a Jagdstaffel.

Dénes Bernád

13th March 2007 15:08

Re: Photos 3-12

Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator (Post 39531)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300090067470
This photo appeared earlier at eBay with info that it was from "Juteborg". Obviously a training aircraft marking.

This particular photo (and a couple of similar shots from the same series) was sold at least ten times in the past year or so. Buyer, beware!

Primoz

13th March 2007 15:15

Re: Photos 3-12

Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator (Post 39532)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=200088297192
Can someone identify the emblem on the cowling on this Bf 109 F.
A reconnaissance unit - or what?

This Bf 109 F belonged to 2./JG 52. The emblem on the cowl is a hand holdig a Spitfire over a map of the English Channel. This a/c also sports the running boar emblem aft of the Balkenkreuz.

F19Gladiator

13th March 2007 15:44

Re: Photos 3-12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primoz (Post 39545)

This Bf 109 F belonged to 2./JG 52. The emblem on the cowl is a hand holdig a Spitfire over a map of the English Channel. This a/c also sports the running boar emblem aft of the Balkenkreuz.

Thanks, that was actually my first "lizard brain reaction" but I didn't make it match with the "Blobs" in the shield, but when you mention the "Running Boar" it connects again. I saw that later emblem as some battle damage.....before you enlightened me!
Thanks a lot Primoz!

Richey4Real

13th March 2007 18:49

Re: Photos 3-12

I also found this little photo group yesterday while messing around on ebay.de

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150100917260

I found it interesting because I remember reading in an old issue of Flypast, in a series of articles dealing with the making of the film "The Battle of Britain”, on which Galland was an advisor, that he stormed off set and refused to return unless the director etc. removed a scene or at least re-shot the scene which showed Luftwaffe men giving the Nazi salute to Goring, something which Galland claimed Luftwaffe men either never did do or would’nt do etc. This series shows that perhaps Galland was protecting his friends/services image a little too hard.

Ill have a check in a bit for the article to confirm this.

Nick

John Beaman

13th March 2007 19:34

Re: Photos 3-12

Ritchie:

As I understand it, until 1944, the Nazi salute as opposed to a "normal" salute, was optional. After the July 20, 1944 plot against Hitler, the Nazi salute was required.

Rob Romero

15th March 2007 04:51

Galland Fw-190D?

Does anyone know the story behind this Fw-190D
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150100917260&indexURL= 5&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting

in this Photo grouping of Galland?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150100917260

Thanks,

Rob Romero

Eric Larger

15th March 2007 09:36

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You will find more information about FW 190D-9 , "black < " , in Fw 190D , camouflage and markings part 2 . This one and "black << " are interesting aircrafts, really interesting aircrafts .

Eric

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