Fw 190 D-13?
 

Hello,

The attached photo is of a recent ebay auction (already ended, bought not by me). On the backside it says Fw 190 D-13. It obviously is a 190 D, but a D-13? Any comments?

Regards
Roger Gaemperle

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hi, a d13 only one a test plane,was built, no action seen,as i know of
the photo might be a d9 or a test plane d13,or d11 d12,.as its a long shot i dont know,as such,or a ta 152c,,,,it had short wings like the d series.
some one might know as ive been a fan for 3 years, by books, and not the net ,as ive just brought ,sort of novice,
gary,

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Hi
I./JG26 had at least one D-13 before end of war.

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The FW190 D-13 did see action. There is one on exhibit in Seattle, Washington. The markings are from the Kommodore of JG 26. I believe the pilot's name was Goetz.

Looking at the photograph, it is very hard to tell. The first thing I tried to examine was the armament. The D-13 had a nose cannon and wing cannons. It did not have twin guns in the forward fuselage section like the D-9. Next, the D-13 had an air scoop located on the starboard side that was much larger than the D-9. Finally, the propeller blades were of the wide type (I believe fabricated from wood), and the propeller hub was prone to oil leaking. Apparently, the seals were either of poor quality or design when they modified the FW190D with a nose cannon.

Due to the quality of the photo, it seems that the wide type of propeller blades are used on this aircraft; however, the other criteria cannot be distinguished.

There is an excellent reference book - J. Crandall's FW190D-13 (which by the way is based on the D-13 on exhibit in Seattle). It gives a great comparison between a D-9 and D-13. Unfortunately, I'm at work and do not have access to it. Maybe some of the other members will have better luck.

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hi,many thanks .why did the d13 were not made in numbers,or any major action was seen was the oil leaks, you said the problem,
,gary

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Hi Gary:

According to Jerry Crandall's Yellow 10 (The Story of the Ultra Rare FW 190 D-13) published by Eagle Editions Ltd. (highly recommended), there was only one plant dedicated to the production of this aircraft. Arbeitsgruppe Roland was to start manufacturing 1,030 aircraft in January, 1945. In May, 1945 another 1,130 aircraft were to be started.
The Werke Number of "Yellow 10" was 836017 and would suggest that as many as 17 of these aircraft were produced. Unfortunately, production data for the D-13 is rather rare; however, it is known that two D-13's were in service by April 7, 1945.
As to why only a few D-13's entered service, Crandall indicated that delays were caused due to "a lack of documents supplied to various factories and contractors". I would imagine that a lack of supplies, production and transportation interruptions due to bombing and the general overall confusion realized during the last months of the war also played a role.
The oil leakage around the propeller hub and spinner was more of a situation than a problem. The seals in spinner area would loosen over time due to the vibration caused by the firing of the MG 151 20 mm cannon. Crandall also mentions that the cannon required a different hub incorporating a blast tube hole through it and the spinner which in turn contributed to the fluid leakage.
By the way, if you ever get to Seattle make it a point to see the FW190D-13 on display. It's a superb looking fighter.

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Hello to all!
Man, from the distance this picture was taken, only Mr Crandall to discern properly...He is The man on the Dora-9 and all Doras! Someone contacted him? I believe ONLY him can discern...interesting is that there is another 190 D...but we can´t see marks ( tail band to identify the unit ) neither the werknummer which would solve the mistery...
As I said...only Mr. "Dora-9" Crandall to solve this mistery...He is the man!
Cheers

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Mr. Baumgartner, do you known Eric Larger and Collegues?

I hope for you yes !

Francesco M Lentini

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Hi Guys;
Thanks Roger for posting this very intriguing photo. The problem is of course, the image is so small, it is difficult to be 100% sure. However, this a/c in the foreground is a D-9 not a D-13. It is equipped with the standard D-9 VS 111 propeller and not the wider VS 9 mounted on a D-13. Another clue is, it appears the ground crew are loading 20 mm ammunition into the boxes under the wing, note the long rectangular doors are hanging open. The crew man standing on the wing appears to have the gun cowl open and is attending to the two 13 mm machine guns on the D-9. since the D-13 has no guns in that position, this all points to this a/c being a D-9.
The Dora in the background is very hard to see, but possibly has the wider VS 9 propellers...but that is only a guess.
I am curious as to what kind of machine from which this photo was taken.
Roger - do you know who purchased this photo?
Thanks again, cheers,
Jerry

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yes, i might, pity there isnt one in uk,,can you sit in this plane or is it a walk around,,well ive won 50 pounds on lotto this year so" my lucky streak might come soon, big time, and ill buy a D9 AND EVERYONE CAN TOUCH FEEL AND EVEN SIT AND HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN IN IT,,WELL THATS ME,
AS OIL PAINTING GO,STUFF THEM,ID RATHER HAVE MY D9,THANKS FOR INFO, THATS SOMETHING TO MY BRAIN CELLS,MORE
gary

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Nice photo! Now as Jerry has stated it is a bit small but it looks like it has a factory fresh paint job and is that a Black & White B3 cross on the under wing?

Regards,

John

BTW Jerry hows the book progressing..? :)

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Dear all

the photo is a little bit small to trace any interesting detail .

Of course the unsersides crosses are black and white , so it will limit the range of manufacturers , to only Focke Wulf or repaired aircrafts. The exhaust area seems to be black too, that could confirm the first option.

The machine in the background ia another FW 190D , but which type , it is very difficult to say .

The fence and the trees are very close to the ones observed on another photo , depicting a JG2 aircraft , but again it is just a guess on a very small photo.

The unpainted spinner would suggest a non operational or a newly delivered aircraft or one of the test aircrafts. In that cas it will not be impossible to have ion the same airfield FW 190D-9 and FW 190D-13/12 page 86 Fw 190d Camoulfage and Markings part 1 , there are several prototypes at Adelheide .

Here is what could be said about this picture

Eric

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With special permission, the Museum of Flight will allow you inside the roped off area of the FW 190D-13 to take pictures. When you are inside this area, you'll be supervised. Touching, sniffing and/or drooling near or on the aircraft is not allowed.
Actually, the museum staff were very pleasant and allowed me to spend as much time as I required. I was fortunate enough to get some great photos which in combination with J. Crandall's "Yellow 10" resulted in a good reference towards my 1/24th scale model of this aircraft. Good luck with the lottery.

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I told you! Only Mr Crandall to discern so small differences on a so small and distant picture!
Mr Crandall, thanks for your clarifying answers...
To suppose that those machines belong to JG 2 only because of the fences on the edge of the airfield is a huge guess. A great part of Luftwaffe airfields were scattered alongside farms by the end of 1944. But, your guess that it is perhaps a NON operational machine is great! Perhaps JG 6? Who knows? The good answer is that Mr Crandall informed us that this is probably not a D-13!
Cheers for all ( PS: I do not know Eric Larger, although I saw some of his threads over here! ).
May you have all a nice week!
Adriano
PS: Italian friend, what are your main interests in the Luftwaffe history?

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The nearest Dora seems to stand on a "Kompensierwaage", perhaps indicating a new or repaired aircraft passing through checks before going operational?

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The (heavily Sütterlin-influenced) handwriting on the backside of the photo can be read as "190 D-10(?) auf der Kompensierscheibe" as well as "190 D-13..."

Roland

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hi,jerry, i thought you would know the dora man.nice books ive read.
gary

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Hello Jerry et al,

The photo was bought by sudek. The auction number was: 170114421358
That's a lot of interesting information you could find out from such a small photo. Perhaps on the original more is visible with a high res scan, but that's all I got from the ebay page.

Best regards
Roger

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Hi, guys

Doesn't the fact that the aircraft is on a Kompansierscheibe point towards this being more than a local farm, but rather an established airfield with a farm on the perimeter (a setup which I would guess you would get all over....)

Regards,
Andreas B

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with luck, i hope but if i do win the lotto you can come over and do this plane up and ill ,let you fly it if you can start it,ive never seen one flying,
wish i could be the first,gary

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Dear sir, about Mr LARGER, try this link : http://www.japo.eu/products.php?cat=3
All the best,
Von Alles