QU+PN fake or real
 

Dear Members

In the German magazin "Klassiker der Luftfahrt 1-2007
from Flug Revue is a drawing of a Me323 E-1 with QU+PN .I can't find it in Schiffers Me321/323 book.
I doubt if it is a real stammkennzeichen.

reagards
Peter van Gogh

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hi Peter,

this could be real. There is a rather grainy print of an in-flight "Me 323 E-3" on page 37 of "Messerschmitt ME 321/323 Giants of the Luftwaffe", by H. Dabrowski. It appears to have the code QU+PD or QU+PO under the wings (I'd bet on the former). Your reference may be another in this sequence.

Cheers

GrahamB

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Thanks Graham

Regards
Peter van Gogh

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hello

It doesn't give a skz, beginning with letter "Q".
Thats all reading-faults.
I have found Me 323 E-1 with skz DU + PA - DU + PO in my skz-list.
I think, that's what you search.

JoMe

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hi JoMe

Whats the source of Your Me323 E-1 stkfz.
And are you sure about that the Q neverwas used.
I have seen a picture of a He219 A-7 in this book
"Warplanes of the Luftwaffe Combat aircraft of Hitlers luftwaffe 1939-1945" D.Donald Barness & Noble books
with reg. on the side QT+NY.
In the stkfz list I make for Peter Evans I have some 16
other stkfz also beginning with a Q.

Regards

Peter van Gogh

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hi peter

The Stkz for the Me 323E-1 DU+PA to PO; W/Nr.130041 to 130055

Regarding the use of Q in the Stkz sequences is a mistake/typos/errors and for the He 219 a postwar addition to an original foto/painting of that a/c.(I think? I cannot get to my books at present but I have seen something very similar)

The letter O was used as a simplified use of the pre-war civil regs. I have many fotos of the use of E & O for early & mid 1940 and at least 1 as late as 1944

Can you give a list of your Qs and i will try and give you possible corrections or answers

Regards

Tom Willis

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Tom,
Are you sure about the "Q"not being used? In Focke Wulf, by Rodeike, page 258 there is a picture of VQ+VC, Fw190A7 642545.
I also found:
BH+QQ 1478 Ju88A4
GA+QQ 10200023 He177V102
GQ+QN 190 Ar196
NN+QQ 535550 He177V101
NQ+MQ 110619 Me262A-1a
RQ+QN 131300 Ju52/3m8ge

If you are right I have made a lot of typing errors.

Dennis

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

All the Q?+?? codes mentioned by Peter can be found as part of the LEMB Sktz Database Project, a direct to link to which can be found below:

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/stam-q.html

As for a He219A-7 coded QT+NY, there is nothing listed that is anywhere near this in the "Other Known Werknummern or Signs" of "Heinkel He219, An Illustrated History" by Roland Remp [Schiffer, 2000]. The image in "Luftwaffe Combat Aircraft of Hitlers luftwaffe 1939-1945" appears to be a heavily retouched wartime photo...

Kind regards,

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hi Dennis

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I should have made it clear that the Q is the lead letter.

eg: QU+PN as in the title 'QU+PN fake or real'

The letter Q was used in all other sequence letters; 2nd, 3rd & 4th

Hope this makes it clear

Regards

Tom Willis

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Ok Tom,
I get it now. :grin:

Dennis

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Thank you all.

I delete all stuff beginning with Q in the updated base

Regards

Peter van Gogh

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For Tom

the list begining wrong with Q

QA+BJ Dornier Do17
QA+ET Messerschmitt Bf109
QA+JZ Messerschmitt Bf109
QB+BC Focke Wulf Fw58
QD+XP Arado Ar232 B-010 W.Nr.110032
QE+A6 Messerschmitt Bf110
QH+K? Fieseler Fi156 C-1
QJ+NY Fieseler Fi156
QJ+RW Fieseler Fi156 D-1
QK+NL Fieseler Fi156 C-3
QM+DK Fieseler Fi156 F-1
QM+YH Fieseler Fi156
QP+NB Messerschmitt Bf108
QT+AE Junkers Ju52 /3m
QU+KH Dornier Do17 M
QU+KM Dornier Do17 M
QV+IW Messerschmitt Me262 W.Nr.000167

Regards

Peter van Gogh

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hey Peter

make an attempt and replace all the first letter "Q" with letter "G" and I think, you will be found a lot of agreement.

best wishes
JoMe

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hi JoMe

Its a start for sure

But for instance the QD+XP Ar232 B-010 W.Nr110032 comes from page 125 The German secret flight test centers wich is in front of me. In the database
I Have it as GD+XP B-09 W.Nr.110031 .

So if I change the code I ran into to different W.Nr.

Where is the fault?

Regards Peter van Gogh

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Hey Peter

I think, there is a fault in the book.
Ar 232 B-06 / 0110028 was GD + XM
Ar 232 B-07 / 0110029 was GD + XN
Ar 232 B-08 / 0110030 was GD + XO
Ar 232 B-09 / 0110031 was GD + XP
Ar 232 B-010 / 0110032 was GD + XQ.

best wishes
Jome

Re: QU+PN fake or real
 

Thanks JoMe

Its must be a fault.

Regards

Peter van Gogh