Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hi,
Could anyone help me out with information on a Ju88 that was shot down into the Sea by Roy Dutton whilst he was with 111 Squadron.
According to varios books he is credited with a He111 on this date, but I have seen a letter written by Dutton that claims that this is a mistake and that he had definately shot down an '88.
Many thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer me.
Gerry

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hi.

Luftflotte 2 reported a Ju 88 as 'Nicht zuruckgekehrt', thus not returned, from a Feindflug on 8.3.1940. The aircraft was from I./K.G.30 and the crew consisted of 4 crewmembers commanded by Obltn v.Sich??? (the three ??? denoting a part of the name which I cannot read fully from my copy of the microfilm).

Maybe this could be a possible?

Definitely people that have more info than me on early days of WWII.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

I have a note that Oblt Fritjof Sichart Von Sichartshoff of 2/KG 30 was shot down but that he and his crew were interned in Denmark?

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Still an other mystery, seems to hv returned at least till Denmark, where they where interned, but a loss list dated 9. of dec.40, still quote them as missing..
Nethertheless the names are

Oblt von Sichart frittjof, nice name
Ge Rothe karl
Fw Marheinecke paul
Uffz Severin josef

Remi

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Only one thing, the report quote the 3.KG30 , for these guys

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Thank you so much for these quick replies.
I think it is possible that this was the first time a JU88 was shot down during the war, is that correct?
According to the letter, the Ju88 span in to the sea from about 10 feet and disintegrated on impact. He says that as he flew past the geyser of spray he saw a body spinning ahead of some burning wreckage. It then goes on to say that two RN destroyers recovered a body and some burning wreckage.
Many thanks
Gerry

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hi

The one who looks in his files also finds....

I found that I had a copy of the Namentliche Verlustemeldung for these guys, and the details I found there where that they all are listed as belonging to 2. Staffel Kampfgeschwader 30

The loss reason is noted as 'Vermutlich durch feindl.Jäger abgeschossen' - 'Probably shot down by enemy fighter aircraft'

The names as they are written in the NVM are:

Frithjof v.Sichartshoff ('shoff' added by hand), Oblt, Flugzeugführer
Paul Marheineke, Fw, Bombenschütze
Josef Severin, Uffz, Bordfunker
Karl Rothe, Gefr, Bordschütze

But what became of them...

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Thank you again for the quick reply.
Would you consider swopping a copy of your document for a copy of Roy Duttons letter?
My email is gedburke3@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks
Gerry

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Just checked my copy ofd the NVM-definitely says 2 Staffel and English north coast (Orkneys) and that they were later assumed killed.

This was no way the first one lost in combat-9 Oct 39 (Flak), 16 Oct 39 (2-fighters), 17 Oct 39 (Flak), 1 Jan 40 (fighters), 3 Feb 40 (Flak), 9 Feb (Flak), then this one

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

I just checked my loss-list it's quoted I.KG30, so no doubt about the 2.staffel, I will be happy by the way to see the NVM, for that date is a quite rare bird

rémi

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hi Chris.

There are no records in Denmark to support that they ende up here. We do have a list of all Luftwaffemembers interned until 09.04.40, and they are not in it.

Junker

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

I now know where the confusion is coming from. On 16 Mar 40, a Ju 88 of
3/KG 30 became lost returning from attack on Scapa Flow and crash-landed at Coebelen, Laaland, Denmark. Uffz Werner Mattner + 3 interned. Do you have a note of this incident and who the '+ 3' were

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Yes i do have the Wast-Verlustmeldung.

3/I/KG 30 Ju 88A-1 4D+AL. After Landing at Købelev/Lolland set on fire by the crew:
Uffz. Werner Mattner
Ogr. Erich Voss
Uffz. Erich Klose
Ogfr. Wilhelm Gottlebe

Junker

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Junker: Any chance of a scan as WASt could not find this one when I asked for copies (KG 30 is incomplete as you know)

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Yes i will contact you off board.

Junker

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hehe, interesting comment on this NVM for those interested in the politics surrounding the 'phony war':

A note is attached saying: 'Die Besatzung hat angegeben, sie habe sich auf einer Übungsflug befunden. Ihre baldige Freilassung steht daher in Aussicht.'

Thus - the crew did not mention that they really were on a bombing mission against Scapa Flow, and made a navigational error on the return flight.

Do you know if and when they were released, Jørn?

Additional: I guess they were... across the entire document is written 'Zurück' in large handwritten letters.... hehehehehehehe

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

They were released with other interned aircrews on the 9. april 1940 as Denmark was occupied by Germany.

Junker

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

OK, just curious to know if they were released before that date.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Luftwaffe Ju88 Lost on 8th March 1940
 

Hi Gerry & All,

On going through the list of Luftwaffe aircraft in `Sky Over Scapa` by Gregor Lamb, I note that a Ju-88 (Identity not given) of 2/KG30 was shot down by F/O Dutton of 111 Sq, RAF Wick, and location given as 40 miles east of Orkney on on 8/3/40. Don`t know if this helps or hinders, as your post was so long ago you may have answers already?

Regards
Dave.