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P-51 losses on 10 April 1945
Dear all
I am looking for the P-51 losses on 10 April 1945. Several machines were shot down that day , including on with R4m rockets . German opponents were Me 262 and perhaps FW 190D-9 too . All action took place over Brandenburg - Berlin -Köthen _ Magdeburg area . So all records including victories claims , losses , and straffing missions are interesting me . Many thanks for you help . Eric |
Re: P-51 losses on 10 April 1945
Some Mustang encounter reports from http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...t-reports.html
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april45.jpg http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april44.jpg (dont be fooled by the jpg name, this is from 1945) http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april45.jpg http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april45.jpg http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april45.jpg http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...-10april45.jpg |
Re: P-51 losses on 10 April 1945
Many thnkas for this answer .
That helps a lot . Does anyone of you have a loss list of P-51 that day ? It seems that one P51 was shot dows by R4M rockets . All the best Eric |
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Have you tried looking here yet?
http://www.armyairforces.com/dbmacr.asp Also search for the serials you find there on the database on http://www.littlefriends.co.uk for more info. Hope this helps! |
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So far - no losses recorded air to air
Several lost to flak in Berlin area strafing airfields 1SF mechanical failure - Rogers (POW) 20th Tracy - flak near Werder A/F - POW 20th Stewart - flak at Werder A/F - POW 20th Petersburz - flak - reached Russian lines 20th also engaged Me 262 air to air neuruppin (no losses) and Oranienburg (no losses) 55th Holland - flak near Burg BUT 55th engaged and shot down Me 262s at Burg and Galworde.. so flak report could be in error 56th Holland - no factor here 78th strafed Werder Stinton POW - flak at Werder A/F Kuehl MIA-Evade - flak at Brandenburg - B/O near Helmstadt Spaulding - flak at Werder A/F 364th Lach - flak near Margraten - KIA The 359 had a fight with Me 262s near Gardelegen and Wittenburg but I don't have losses for any in four sources.. |
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JUST TO AD SERIALS. Source is MACR index database, www.armyairforce.com numbers in order as MACR, date, type, serial, FG, FS regards |
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359th FG claims for 10 April '45 are: J.T. Marron, 368th FS, P-51D 44-13776, CV-Y: 1 Me 262 damaged H. Tenenbaum, 369th FS, P-51D 44-72366, IV-D: 1 Me 262 destroyed R.J. Guggemos, 369th FS, P-51D 44-15514, IV-O: 1 Me 262 destroyed + 2 Me 109 destroyed on the ground R.R. Klaver, 369th FS, P-51K 44-11664, IV-G: 1 Me 262 damaged This was mission 341, lasting from 11:59 to 17:53 h. The 359th was escorting B-17s, R/V at 13:40 at Osnabruck. Near Wittstock Marron damages a 262. Bombing takes place at 14:50 at Oranienburg with excellent results. Then Tenenbaum spots a B-17 exploding and sees six Me 262. He finally catches another one on finals at Gardelegen aerodrome and destroys it, scoring hits on a second before being driven off by flak. Guggemos then catches another Me 262 trying to land and nails it, while Klaver damages yet another. Before turning home Guggemos strafes two Me 109s at Dannefeld, together with the 361th FG who claims another few. This day later became known as The Great Jet Massacre, with the 8th AF claiming 20 Me 262s destroyed in the air. Total losses for the Luftwaffe are 311 dest. and 237 dam., while the 8th AF loses 19 bombers and eight Mustangs. source: Jack H. Smith - Mustangs & Unicorns I just remembered, William N. Hess' book German Jets versus the US Army Air Force has a very extensive account on this battle. Do you have this book? It doesn't mention any Mustang losses though. Lastly AJ-Press' Monografie Lotnicze, Me 262 Schwalbe, volume 2 has a list for claims made by Me 262 pilots. Though I suspect this list contains inaccuracies and definitely suffers from overclaiming, here's what I found for 10 April 1945: I/JG 7: Oblt. Schuck: 4x B-17 Oblt. Grünberg: 2x B-17 Oblt. Stehle: B-17 Oblt. Bohatsch: B-17 Ofhr. Neuhaus: B-17 Flg. Reiher: B-17 III/JG 7: Oblt. Schall: Mustang Lt. Hagenah: Mustang Fhr. Pfeiffer: B-17 Ofw. Lennartz: Mustang Lt. Redmacher: Mustang Ofw. Greiner: Mustang Ofw. Pritzl: Thunderbolt KG (J) 54: Lt. Palenda: 2x B-17 Lt. Rossow: 2x B-17 Lt. Becker: B-17 + 7x B-17 by unknown pilots So from the looks of things, all Mustangs were shot down by III/JG 7 that day. |
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Many thanks to all of you for thses posts .
They are very usefull for me Eric |
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Eric, please let us know when you find out more :) |
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No Problem at all to keep you informed
Do you have the names of the German victors that day ? If not I might have them Eric |
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You mean their first names? The surnames are mentioned in my 3rd reply. I don't have their first names I don't think, but I may be able to find them. Some are easy to find, such as Franz Schall.
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Re: P-51 losses on 10 April 1945
Walter S.
Hans G. Fritz S. Walter B. Josef N. Gerhard R. Franz S. Walter H. Ernst P. Helmet L. Rudi Rademacher Alfred G. Otto P. Gents did some serious research on this air battle over 25 years ago and will try and find the data........ E ~ |
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