Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Gents
Ju 88 3Z+DH of 1./KG 77 blew up over Cudham on 27 September 1940. The time given is 11.05. Nonetheless I fail to find what it had been doing there at the time. There was a raid of I/KG 77 in the morning and I&II/KG 77 in the late afternoon. Am I missing anything?
TIA

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

I'm not sure if this helps (from National Archives HW 5/5):

CX/JQ/348

1 At 0030/28/9 Signals Officer of Air Movement Control Couvron asked what had become of one or more a/c which had started on operations against England at 1230/27/9. (A)

At the same hour he was heard mentioning Ju 88 3Z+HH, 3Z+JN, 3Z+GN, 3Z+DC. (A)

These a/c of KG 77 may have been the missing ones. (C)

Note: "(A)" and "(C)" are grades of reliability of the information; times are GMT.

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Franek

Cudham is 1 mile from Biggin Hill so very likely bombing Biggin airfield

Tony

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Thanks Nick,
3Z+GN and 3Z+DC are confirmed to be lost over England.

Tony, there were two raids, one in the morning, I/KG 77 aircraft appearing in London area around 9:30 British time, and in the late afternoon, around 15:30. I fail to note, what an aircraft could have been doing at 11:00, when there were no combats reported by Fighter Command.

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

The target was London, a victim of Flak and the K Report does say 1105 hrs. Maye a mistake by the writer?

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Franek

I was born and bred in Bromley 3 miles west from Biggin

From the book "Bromley in the Front Line"

"On 27/9/40 a Spitfire was shot down and crashed into 70-72 Queensway, Coney Hall at 9.40 am (about 30 years ago I lived at 67 opposite these houses, and there is a photo of this with my house in it) To continue from the book , at 11.05 am a Ju 88 was hit by AA fire and crashed in the grounds of Angus House, Cudham Lane , 3 members of the crew baled out and were captured a 4th crew member fell to his death due to parachute failure"

So there was a mission at that time, perhaps a recce as according to the book "Battle Over Britain "12 a/c from KG 77 were shot down over London in a short period early afternoon!!

Tony

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Or perhaps the time, the aircraft was reported by the local police? It seems the time is repeated in various books, based on the same source. I find it surprising, nothing would have been claimed by fighters if there was a raid around 11 a.m. in the area.
For the morning raid, I have some 80 aircraft going, but some of them turned back, and only 30 got to the London area. 2. & 3./KG 77 were reputedly going for gasworks, perhaps Beckton Gasworks. I have a matching account of few Ju 88s going to a target in eastern London, one of them disintegrating in the air (which would suggest AA burst, indeed), but it must have occurred at around 9:30.
If the aircraft fell down at 11:05, indeed, the account must refer to another aircraft or is grossly inaccurate.

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Hi

The reports in the book are all from local sources, this book list many houses destroyed by bombin/ V 1 and V 2, house No./street, date and times given including names of people killed. This data is not from the PRO

So it occurred at 11.05 am

Tony

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Tony this is impossible. No more attack assessment missions had been flown on this time by bomber units. It was a job of recon units. For 100% it was a typo in K-report.

Robert

Re: Ju 88 3Z+DH 1./KG 77 Cudham 27 September 1940
 

Hi,

I found also a claim of English flak timed 11.05 hrs London Inner Flak Zone for 1 Ju 88, which was brought down from an altitude of 500 m and crashed in Cudham but I think this is also a mistake - attack time that was reported by I./KG77 was 10.05 hrs (German time).

Robert