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westmouth 8th January 2018 01:25

German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Where can I find info on German losses on the Norwegian west coast 1944. Particularly on F-W 190 during July to sept 1944

gaupe75 8th January 2018 11:35

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
For example here:
http://www.luftwaffe.be/publications...band-3-band-4/

luftwaffe.no, which is down until further notice :(

westmouth 8th January 2018 13:56

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Ok, thanks.

Laurent Rizzotti 8th January 2018 15:28

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
From an old file saved from the ancestor of luftwaffe.no, six Fw 190 in your time period:

Date;Aircraft;Unit;Start;S.det.;WNr;Vknz.;Reason;; Dam.;Loss;Pilot;Ploss;Area;Place down
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;?A;WNr. 058 1665;Weisse 11;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Kurt Thonemann (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s off Vadsø
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;5F;WNr. 581668;Hvit 10;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Hermann Hagenmeyer (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Vadsø omr.
24/10/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;Berlevaag;5A;WNr. 058 0694;;Russian A/C;78 IAP Hawk;;100%;Fw. Gustav Scharwächter (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Kongsfjorden, NW Båtsfjord
19/11/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0732 167;Weisse 4;Accident;;;95%;Fhr. Karl Amm (w);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
12/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0690 158;;Accident;;;100%;Ltn. Walter Peters (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
13/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-3;13./JG 5;Herdla?;3N;WNr. 135491;;Accident;motor;;95%;Fhr. Waldemar Ölmann (s);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Lan/ på Herdla flyplass

Laurent Rizzotti 8th January 2018 15:34

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
You can also search the Internet Archive machine for the luftwaffe.no pages:

Version of the 1943 losses webpage from 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170211...ses/tap43.html
(note: despite the title, it lists also part of the losses of 1944 and 1945 with all known losses of 1943)

1944 losses webpage from 2015:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150529...ses/tap44.html

westmouth 8th January 2018 23:55

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Thanks a lot, will look into this!

gaupe75 9th January 2018 10:30

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti (Post 245395)
From an old file saved from the ancestor of luftwaffe.no, six Fw 190 in your time period:

Date;Aircraft;Unit;Start;S.det.;WNr;Vknz.;Reason;; Dam.;Loss;Pilot;Ploss;Area;Place down
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;?A;WNr. 058 1665;Weisse 11;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Kurt Thonemann (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s off Vadsø
26/09/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;unk;5F;WNr. 581668;Hvit 10;Russian A/C;;;100%;Uffz. Hermann Hagenmeyer (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Vadsø omr.
24/10/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8;13./JG 5;Berlevaag;5A;WNr. 058 0694;;Russian A/C;78 IAP Hawk;;100%;Fw. Gustav Scharwächter (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Cra/s Kongsfjorden, NW Båtsfjord
19/11/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0732 167;Weisse 4;Accident;;;95%;Fhr. Karl Amm (w);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
12/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8;9./JG 5;Bardufoss;5A;WNr. 0690 158;;Accident;;;100%;Ltn. Walter Peters (+);1-0-0-0;NORWAY;Sta/ from airfield Bardufoss
13/12/1944;Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-3;13./JG 5;Herdla?;3N;WNr. 135491;;Accident;motor;;95%;Fhr. Waldemar Ölmann (s);0-0-1-0;NORWAY;Lan/ på Herdla flyplass

None of these fits the dates here, the first five is some thousand kilometers away, and the latest one is in winter time, when III./JG5 moved south.

The only thing that fits, is a transfer flight going north, but that was a loss of pilot, which does not seem like the case here.

Are we talking about a loss on land or at sea here?

westmouth 9th January 2018 20:29

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Regrettably you are right, no matches here.

We are talking about this incident http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=50131
I.e. a total loss of th plane, most likely a F-W 190 based on the parts found at the time. It landed/crashed at Harøy, which is abt 10-15 Miles SSW of Gossen airbase, the JG5 used this base at the time. The pilot was more or less unharmed.
Seem strange that there is no registration of this incident.

Chris Goss 10th January 2018 07:54

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
German records for this time are incomplete & you generally can only get those where the pilot is a casualty which according to you he was not

gaupe75 10th January 2018 09:56

Re: German losses on Norwegian west coast 1944
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 245494)
German records for this time are incomplete & you generally can only get those where the pilot is a casualty which according to you he was not

But there is a faint hope that there could have been a ULTRA-message concering a loss?


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