Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Dear All,

Who can help to find the crashsite of Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8" 1./JG3 which were lost on July 28th 1943.
And what was the cause of the crash ?
The plane was flown by Uffz. Helmut Apenburg

Thanks in advance,

Michel

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Hello,

sometimes ago...

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archiv...p?t-39638.html

And:

http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Kra...burg%2C+helmut

Regards

Daniel

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Daniel,
This info is already in my possion, thanks anyway
Michel

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Dear Michel,

Here is what I have for this airframe:

Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 19634 is a Wiener Neustadt Flugwerke (WNF) built machine.

There is contradictory information regarding its demise as I have it destroyed 100% during a Luftkampf, 28 July 1943, whilst being flown by Uffz. Helmut Apenburg as ""Weisse 8", 1./JG 3, no known location. Source is:
1. Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19;
2. Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, Vol X.2, p.250;
3. Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3, p.528.

Oddly enough, i have this very same W.Nr. 19634 again active by 7 October 1943, as "Blaue 2", 12./JG 26 and damaged 35% due to a crash landing at Fl. Pl. Moorsele. Source is Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22.

Maybe the second occurrence is a typo in the W.Nr. ? All available informations are courtesy of George Morrison.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Hello Marc,

in JFV Vol. 10/III page 141 is listed:
07.10.43 12./JG 26 N.N. Bruchlandung, Moorsele, 35% Bf 109 G-4 19364.

Regards
Leo

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

This story start to be very complicated.
19364 was accidented, 50%., 4 July 1943 while in 12/JG54.

Looks like there is a "double bug" here.
I don't know how Prien & All were able to correct like that (I didn't say they are wrong).
....
For sure, I don't know where Marc got this "Blaue 2" no indication of it in Georg list neither in Michael list.

Regards,
Franck.

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Hello Franck,

with effect from 1 July 1943 the 12./JG 54 was integrated into the III./JG 26 and renamed 12./JG 26 (details in JFV Vol. 10/III page 104).
In JFV Vol. 10/III page 138 is listed:
04.07.43 12./JG 26 N.N. Motorschaden, Notlandung, östlich Nordholz, 50% Bf 109 G-4 19364.
So this aircraft of 12./JG 26 was damaged on 4 July 1943 (50%) and on 7 Oct 1943 (35%).

Regards
Leo

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

My mistake Franck: my eye wandered on the next line..... hence no tactical marking for W.Nr. 19634 on 7 October.

I don't understand the link with W.Nr. 19364 though...

Cheers
Marc

Re: Me109G6 Wnr 19634 "White 8"
 

Hi Gentlemen,

Many thanks for your info.....

Michel