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Mysticpuma 19th September 2016 14:18

Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Harry Parker was an Ace with the 325th Fighter Group who is still listed as MIA.

From an article in a local newspaper comes the following information which details where he crashed and the removal of his body to be buried. Looking at the information provided it seems possible that it could be proved where he crashed and where his body now is....but who are 'the people' who undertake this work and would 'they' be interested?

Here's an excerpt from the article:

"Parker was last heard from on a strafing mission, attacking ground targets from his low-flying aircraft, on April 2, 1945, when he was south and west of Vienna, according to the book.

Now, much more information about his final mission seems to have come to light.

Carolina Lambalot of Milford, who organized the rededication of the town’s World War II monument this year, began corresponding with Matjaz Partlic, whose father grew up in Pesnica, a village in Slovenia, which borders on Austria and where he says Parker died.

Partlic wrote to Lambalot that his father was only four when Parker’s plane landed in the village, but the story of Harry Alfred Parker is part of the villagers’ oral tradition.

In a letter to Lambalot, Partlic said Parker’s plane was not shot down, but was involved in an accident while his plane was flying very low and apparently “hit into a vertical railway signalization with one of his wings and the plane crashed into a hill and the pilot was killed instantly.

“The Germans who were occupying our country took all of Parker’s documents and transported his body into the neighboring village of Jarenina,” wrote Partlic.

“There the German authorities instructed the grave digger to bury him and told him his name was Harry Parker. On July 17, 1947 Parker’s remains were transported to the American military cemetery in Kosutnjak in Beograd, Serbia. A little while later his remains were yet again transported and buried in Florence, Italy, along with others from that cemetery.”

Partlic, who describes himself as an amateur historian, wrote that he lives in the city of Maribor, near Pesnica, where Parker’s plane landed.

Maribor was a major industrial center with an extensive armament industry where the occupying Germans manufactured airplane engines, he said, and the city was systematically bombed by the Allies, and “paid a very high price,” with bombs severely damaging nearly half the city’s buildings, nearly 3,000, and killing 483 civilians.

In one of Partlic’s letters to Carolina Lambalot, he said he hopes the village of Pesnica “will soon put up a humble memorial that will testify the place of death of this hero, who fought for our freedom as well.”

Partlic also sent Lambalot a copy of the report for Parker’s last mission, number 281 of April 2, 1945 and a copy of Parker’s exhumation report.

Bruce Parker said former Milford selectman Rosario “Sarooch” Ricciardi, who served in the army during World War II and knew his uncle, started looking into the possibility of a Medal of Honor, which is awarded by the President of the United States in the name of the U.S. Congress.

Bruce said Ricciardi and his fellow soldiers knew Parker would die in the war.

“You can’t volunteer for every hazardous mission there is” and survive, he said. At the rededication of Milford’s World War II memorial in September, he said, Ricciardi told Bruce Parker, “ ‘You’ve got to do something for this man,’ and I said I would.”

The U.S. military needs to do more research and at least update his uncle’s file, he said, because he is still considered missing in action.

“Nobody knew what happened to him,” said Parker. “It would bring some kind of closure” to the remaining family members."

The original article is here. I don't really want to detract from what I consider an important story by the heading of the article asking for a MOH for Harry so hopefully we can stay away from that as it is most unlikely.

http://www.cabinet.com/cabinet/cabin...r-milford.html

However a possible lead into his death, crash site and body is surely worth following up?

Cheers, MP

RSwank 19th September 2016 15:12

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
The people that would need to be contacted is the Defense Pow/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) http://www.dpaa.mil/

There is a contact page here: http://www.dpaa.mil/Contact/Contact-Us/

From what you have written, I believe the body was recovered from the first burial site along with the "tentative" identification as Harry Parker. The body moved to a temporary cemetery in Serbia and apparently is now buried as an unknown in Florence American Cemetery. They could not make a positive identification at the time, most likely because skull was either missing or there was not enough of it do to dental record matching. The primary means for skeletal identification was the teeth and corresponding dental records.

Not able at that time to make a positive id, he was buried as an unknown. Perhaps you can make contact with the nephew and provide him with your new information. Then he, as a family member can make the DPAA contact.

edwest2 19th September 2016 17:44

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
You can try checking here:


https://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries-memo...rican-cemetery


And getting some information from this site:


http://www.325fg.org/parker-harry-p1747-325fg.cfm




Ed

Alex Smart 19th September 2016 19:53

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hello,
I do know that at this time there is a team in Austria .
I will contact my Austrian colleague to notify them to look at this forum and this thread.
Alex

edwest2 19th September 2016 20:09

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
I also suggest this site:



http://forum.armyairforces.com/





Ed

Heuser 19th September 2016 22:33

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Gentlemen,

the crash location is matching with the Unknown X-76 in Belgrad.

Hope this helps,

Heuser

RSwank 20th September 2016 02:01

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Here is the info on X-76 Belgrade.

http://www.7tharmddiv.org/docrep/ima...GRADE/X-76.pdf

Interesting that the skull was intact and a tooth chart was made. If that was Harry it is odd they could not make an identification. Even though X-76 was believed to be lost in March 45 you would think that Harry's loss on April 2 would not have ruled him out of consideration.

Alex Smart 20th September 2016 11:44

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hello,
The three named airmen in the X-76 report .
Meidinger - MACR 13067 - a/c 44-25041 - 03/18/1945.
Mathias - MACR 12561 - a/c 42-28558 - 03/04/1945.
Brookman - MACR 13070 - a/c #44-25759 - 03/19/1945.
Two are still reported as mia.
The third, 1Lt. Wilburn R. Brookman is recorded in the ABMC lists.
Alex

Mysticpuma 21st September 2016 14:50

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Very much appreciate the feedback and details in this thread. I have an interest in the 325th FG and the possibility of recovering/finding or giving closure to the family is encouraging, even after so many years.

Thanks for your input everyone.

Cheers, Neil

vathra 21st September 2016 21:59

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Puma,

Harry Parker is not listed as being buried in Yugoslavia, and later transferred.
He is still listed as missing over Yugoslavia.

He could be X-76.

Alex Smart 22nd September 2016 01:32

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hello,
Captain Harry A. Parker O- 801747.
MACR 13641
44-14462
"Albemarie Pippin"

Alex

Mysticpuma 29th September 2016 21:56

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Thanks Alex. I have tried to make contact with his nephew but so far drawn a blank. I hope this information is a positive lead to maybe identifying his remains and bringing closure to his family, Cheers, Neil

Mysticpuma 10th February 2017 05:37

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hello gentleman, as much as I would love to post an update, unfortunately at this time I am still waiting to here back after filling in the information form on the dpaa website.
I supplied all the details, linked to this page too and mentioned the possibility of it being x-76.

Does anyone have an idea of bow long it usually takes to hear back, even if to say they will investigate the report?

I filled it in in October.

Cheers, Neil

vathra 11th February 2017 10:06

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Puma,
I have also sent info to DPAA on another missing airmen, and it took them some six months to answer.
But I also have opportunity to meet some of men from DPAA last year.

There is several cases like this.
Based on available data, it is not possible to determine exact identity, and only way is to make DNA analysis. If I understood well, they are collecting DNA from relatives, and plan to collect DNA from a group of unidentified airmen. As you can imagine, this procedure takes a lot.

Adriatic Flyer 6th March 2017 13:14

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Unfortunately I can not send private massages (?!).

Exact number of his case is X-81054 (file 293, Unknown, Belgrade, X-81054).

If you can coctact me with PM send me massage and I will send you copy of this file.

Regards

Matjaz P.

Mysticpuma 29th October 2017 20:57

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hi Vathra,
Just wondering if there is any possibility you may have any more information or possible update on this? I would love to see a resolution to this is if at all it is a possibility?
Thanks to everyone for your help, cheers Neil

vathra 29th October 2017 23:22

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma (Post 241947)
Hi Vathra,
Just wondering if there is any possibility you may have any more information or possible update on this? I would love to see a resolution to this is if at all it is a possibility?
Thanks to everyone for your help, cheers Neil

No.
When I spoke with DPAA guys last year, they mentioned that they plan to do DNA analysis on large number of unidentified airmen. I hoped that would solve couple of cases I analyzed, but there is still no news.

All we can do through documents and testimonies in most cases is not conclusive, so DNA analysis is unavoidable.

Col Bruggy 30th October 2017 01:27

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smart (Post 223559)
Hello,
Captain Harry A. Parker O- 801747.
MACR 13641
44-14462
"Albemarie Pippin"

Alex

Hello,

The name on Mustang 44-14462, possibly - "Albemarle Pippin", not "Albemarie Pippin".

https://www.albemarleciderworks.com/...bemarle-pippin

Col.

Frank Olynyk 30th October 2017 06:42

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
The MACR for Parker (13641) certainly says "Albemarie Pippin". But I doubt the suggestion of "Albemarle Pippin". I doubt that Parker would have encountered that particular apple; born in California, enlisted in New Hampshire, completed his flight training at Spence Field, Georgia. The apple came out of Long Island, and was made famous by Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Today best known in the Virginia area (I think).

A better suggestion is on the 325th FG Inventory website, http://www.checkertails.org/Archived.../Inventory.htm
based on research by Dwayne Tabatt, There it is stated that the aircraft name was "Alba Marie Pippin". This version sounds more like a girlfriend. Pippin is after all a perfectly good family name. Dwayne's source is not given in the Inventory webpage, but I would trust his research. Anyone know of a photograph of Parker's aircraft (#57 I believe)?

Enjoy!

Frank.

Col Bruggy 30th October 2017 08:58

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Frank,

Fair enough! Similar to what you state was available here: http://raf-112-squadron.org/325thfghonor_roll.html scroll down to 2 Apr 45. Just to tempting to let it slide.
I couldn't find a photograph of "57" in either, Checkertail Clan/McDowell & Hess, or, Aces, Pilots & Aircraft of the 9th, 12th & 15th USAAF/David Weatherill. There is one on p.142 of Herschel Green's, Herky! The Memoirs of a Checkertail Ace, but there is no name visible.

Col.

Alex Smart 30th October 2017 15:43

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Hello Col & Frank,
Aircraft name is as you have corrected, many thanks for picking my table error, I had missed the spelling, sometimes it seems to have a mind of its own:(
Alex

Mysticpuma 6th November 2017 21:31

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
Capt. Parker was flying P-51D-10 serial # 44-14462, named Alba Marie Pippen, fuselage number 57. MACR # 13641

Mysticpuma 6th November 2017 21:33

Re: Possible location of crash site and body of Harry Parker, 325th FG Ace, still MIA
 
It would be great if DNA identifies Harry. I have my fingers crossed so hard!
Cheers MP


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