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Spitfire

1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/283336904664

2. https://www.ebay.de/itm/283336905276

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2.

9/10/1942
No.250 Squadron RAF
Kittyhawk III FL898:LD-U (42-45786).
Up:1215 - Missing.

Detailed to escort Bostons bombing DABA L.G.

120742 P/O (Pilot) Dennis William Martin ROGERSON RAFVR - POW.

Believed shot down by MC.202 flown by Maggiore Luigi Filippi, CO. 23 Grupo.

See: HOTMAW2/Shores et al/364-70 & Kittyhawks Over The Sands/Lavigne & Edwards/277-79.

Col.

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1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/283336904664

Don't believe 242 Sqn The Sqn codes were LE which they d not look like is the code like nn474 or nn424

Paul

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2.

9/10/1942
No.92 Sqn RAF
Spitfire Vc Trop BR479:QJ-E

Detailed to escort bombers to DABA L.G (High Cover).

80360 P/O (Pilot) Thomas Edward HARVEY RAFVR - POW -(Southern Rhodesian -778459)

See: HOTMAW2/Shores et al/364-70 & A Pride of Eagles/Salt,(Covos Day,2001 ed.)/p.839

Col.

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same link for both photos, it is a Martin 167F

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Serial looks more like ?L898

Peter

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Hi all,

interesting photo from France 1940:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-Fra...75.c100623.m-1

Gloster Gladiator ?, Hawker hurricane, Fw 189 ? and Swordfish?

looking for more info.

Thanks Faenor

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Hi,

based on my info, it is QJ-E BR523, belly landed Aug 19,1942 by Lt. Samouelle, 92 Squadron.

I have another 2 photos and plane looks same.

Faenor

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Faenor


Please can you post the other photos of QJ-E BR523?

Thanks

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Hi Paul,

check A History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940-1945: Volume 2 - page 311 - view from right side.
Same picture is in Osprey Spitfire Aces of North Africa and Italy - looks at this link:
https://books.google.cz/books?id=yVW...0BR523&f=false

Next photos from e-bay I will send to you via e-mail, please send it to me.

Faenor

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Hi all,

photos posted on different forum (with more space) :

http://www.modelari.org/viewtopic.ph...p=37158#p37158

Looks like same plane, but the upper propeller blade looks different like the photo from HMAW or Osprey books - so probably 2 different planes.

Faenor

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This second photo is not of "QJ-E".

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Fot...2-53bcb90fc558

Alex

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There is also a third Gladiator photo

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf...75.c100623.m-1

If it is what it looks like it was supposed to have gone down with HMS Glorious on her way back from Norwegian waters.
Anyone who knows more?? :confused:

Cheers
Stig

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1/. No.51 Squadron Whitley V P4986:MH-F - 16/17-8-1940 (BCL1[rev.2nd.ed]/187-8).

http://aircrewremembered.com/scott-john-stanley.html

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Stig

Well it may help solve some other mystery - We now know it was not on Glorious - So one that was "not", must have been

So some work will need to be done to re-appraise


http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=N5908


"if you accept N5908 as the aircraft crashed by Falkson at Bodo on the 26th"

Paul

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Faenor


Thanks I think 2 different QJ-E - I don't see "523" at all in the new ebay photo but I do not see "523"

One also looks obviously "POW" the other does not!


Paul

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Hello,

Now some of the (Bull)dust has settled, I'm first to admit I inadvertently numbered Image No.1 (Spitfire), as No.2 Kittyhawk). I stick by my conclusions on both images.

Col.

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Hi all,

Greek Fairey Battle probably:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/R866-Foto-We...QAAOSwH0lcQMgy

Faenor

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Thanks Paul

Interesting discussion. Looks like I am "ten years after", nothing unusual with that....:)
Always nice when a photo suddenly appears confirming earlier suspicions.

When it comes to photo "1 and 2" (Spitfire/Kittyhawk) I confess I agree with Col on both aircraft. The digits, at least those I can faintly see on photo 1 are "47" which supports his ID. His unfortunate mistake of listing both his IDs under no 2 was quite easy to understand.

Cheers
Stig

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Hi all,

nice photo of Hawker Hurricane mk. I - probably P2644 lost 8.6.1940 during transfer to Malta:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-en...Paoq:rk:1:pf:0

Faenor

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....another Hurricane from france 1940 - SDoP from 501.Sq - looking for more info:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Britisches-J...QdnM:rk:2:pf:0

Faenor

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.....Spitfire - with date 1941, but looks like some machine from 1940 around Dunkerque :

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-en...Pani:rk:6:pf:0

Faenor

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P-47

https://www.ebay.de/itm/283345428930

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Hi

#431 (Spit) : I wonder whether the loss of 06/07/1941 with n° 74 sqdn with W3208 and Pilot Officer W M Skinner.

Bertrand

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Hi all,

Hampden QRoM from 61. SQ:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-WK-2-ab...c9X2:rk:4:pf:0

Looking for more info

Faenor

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Hi,

P4340 lost night of 12/13 august 1940 close to MESUM GERMANY.


right side

Attachment 17641

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Hi all,

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Luftwaf....c100005.m1851

Probably B-17F-20-VE 42-5777 - more info :
https://b17flyingfortress.de/en/b17/...-the-gin-mill/
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/8313
https://www.fold3.com/document/29035630/

Faenor

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Hi Bertrand,

this plane was by 83. SQ based on these 2 links and was destroyed:
http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads...-losses.45933/
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archiv...&lot_id=275902

But squadron codes looks like for 61. SQ - any reason?

What about this plane - fit with SQ codes, maybe typo in plane letter (N vs M) - P4346 ?
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=174820

Thanks

Faenor

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Faenor/Bertrand

This is clearly a problem aircraft.
However, it was very much photographed and one of them clearly shows P4340 and the code QR-M. No matter how much I try I cannot get the last digit to loook like anything else.

Looking at the Hampden's distribution in the batch P4285 to P4418 and particulalrly in the batches P4335 - P4375 they all went to 61, 144, 44 Sqds except one to AAEE and of course P4340 supposedly to 83 Sqd.
Excluding P4340 83Sqd did not receive its first aircraft until P4376 was delivered plus 6 later aircraft.

Initially when JJ Halley compiled his P1000-P9999 monograph, P4340 is listed as delivered to 61 Sqd and not 83.
From 1989 when Harry Moyle published his Hampden Monograph (Air Britain) P4340 has ever since been with 83 Sqd and never again with 61.

I also checked P4346 and its loss. All available sources including the aviation-safety site says this aircraft was hit in the tailplane and made more or less uncontrollable (Chorley for instance use the word destroyed with regard to the tailplane). In the photos of QR-M we can clearly see the tailplane to be pretty much intact and an aircraft who has made a pretty credible belly landing, which does not fit the loss of P4346.

I have no good answer to what we look at, but the photos where the serial number can be seen, P4340 is what I am looking at....
Very mysterious....

Cheers
Stig

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Hi Stig and Bertrand,

totally strange Hampden without any logic.

Maybe have somebody ORB for 61. SQ from period 05-08/1940 and confirm the serial number based on entry in SQ documents.

Faenor

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QR-M P4340