Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Hello Daniel, I have posted again the images. Hope they of some help to you.

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

@Sergio, thank you for re-posting the photos, see also PM.


In my opinion the aircraft shown here is Me 262 "11053" of III./EJG 2 which made a belly landing because of engine fire near Grießenbach, NE of Landshut, on February 6, 1945 (another source indicates February 9). The pilot was uninjured, the aircraft suffered 40% damage. Several days later it was disassembled and taken to the airfield Ergolding near Landshut.

According to several eyewitnesses a Me 262 fuselage was lying at the exact spot as shown in the attached aerial image taken in early April 1945 (I copied in a He 111 from another part of the aerial photo as size comparison.). This area near the workshop was used as dump for damaged and crashed aircraft.
The Ju 52 in the color photos could be one of about 10-15 that landed at the airfield in May 1945 and were parked alongside the railroad.

Any other opinions?

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

[quote=Daniel;188271
... In my opinion the aircraft shown here is Me 262 "11053" of III./EJG 2 which made a belly landing because of engine fire near Grießenbach, NE of Landshut, on February 6, 1945 (another source indicates February 9). Any other opinions?.. [/QUOTE]

Yes, I have one Daniel and not the less: "11053" didn't exist! :)
...
But, I have one 111053 lost on 6th of February and it was a Me262B-1a! (No place given, at least in my data)
None on 9th.

Regards, Franck.

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

I know, that's why I put it in quotation marks :)
The original GQM entry mentiones a Me 262 B1, S/N 11053, NE of Landshut on February 6, 1945. I suppose the GQM report is wrong this time regarding A or B, it wouldn't be the first time I think.
Anything else comes from other reports, eyewitness accounts and my own conclusions.

Kind regards,
Daniel

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

111053 and 110053 are not good WN's.

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Hello Dan,

Ben voila!..

You mean you are the one who wrongly transposed the GQM "11053" into 111053 ?

I'm sure you know the following table, don't you?

Nah, I'm kidding. I know this is an old table (But didn't get the update, yet) Do you have a better suggestion for this loss? Thank you for your help.

Regards, Franck.

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Hi Franck, I published ALL those WN's in my book, but they are listed as "unknown" because they are NOT official RLM allocation. I have no doubt as to where that information came from LOL 111053 would be my best guess also. Another of the many mysteries of WN allocations.

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Hi Franck,

I know I'm a little late putting my two cents in, but from Dan O'Connell, Me 262 Production Log, (2005), p. 85:


110530 Call sign NH+MF. Me 262 A-1a On 6 February 1945, an unknown pilot of III./EJG 2 was forced to make an emergency landing north-east of Landshut due to the engines catching fire while on a training flight. Damage to the aircraft was estimated at 70 per cent.

I think Dan had it right all along.
Best regards,

Jim Geens

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Reviving this thread due to an information conflict:

According to GQM (#12-26, 190/45, 8.3.45, 37); O'Connell, p.48; Horn, KG51, p.262 as reported in Michael Balss's loss list, the plane "forced to make an emergency landing north-east of Landshut due to the engines catching fire while on a training flight" you mention, Karoband, is given as Me 262 B-1a W.Nr. 170053 "Rote 1", piloted by Lt. Ernst Strate, III./EJG 2.

Any further clue as to W.Nr. 110530 ?

Cheers
Marc

Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence
 

Hi Marc,

You are correct. GQM (#12-26, 190/45, 8.3.45, 37) does give "11053" as a B-1 with 40% damage. Indeed a mystery!

Jim