Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is an unusual photo of a Fokker D.VII. It has no markings either civil or military and appears all white(?) and the persons in the photo both wear military uniforms and civil clothing. Can anyone identify why the machine is so unusually painted? Its at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugzeug-Dop...MAAOSwSWZegcN0


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a nice close up photo of Fokker D.VII F D.4356/18 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...YAAOSwIzpe0YmW


Which raises the obvious questions. Who is the pilot and what is the unit?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Didn't Goering have an all white one in WW1?

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Dan,


Correct. He flew D.VIIF D.5125/18. That one did at least have the usual crosses and a serial number and can be seen at:


http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/produ...tid=3208&cat=1


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

It is not impossible that Göring used an all white D.VII postwar as well.

That one could easily have been striped with black bands before he took it to Denmark and later to Sweden.

In Swedish service it was again painted all white.

All speculation of course and unfortunately the photo on e-bay is too mediocre and of course without any useful information, for anyone to really tell...

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Stig,


I wasn't aware of the facts you outline. Interesting. So its not known whether the Swedish D.VII 937 was earlier D.5125/18 rather than another D.VII flown by Göring?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Ah, Sorry Clint

No the Swedish one was Fok F.7716/18
The serial number was actually 37. The digit 9 visible in front was a so called year digit which usually indicated the year the aircraft was built.

The actual Swedish paint has variously been described as silver or aluminium bronze. Whatever, when looking at black & white photos, it is impossible to differentiate them from basic white.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Thank you Clint.

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a number of Fokker D.VII photos at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-So...oAAOSwYtpe~1~a


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fo...0AAOSwxmhe~2AW


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fo...MAAOSwy8Be~1-e


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Fo...kAAOSwkfle~2BS


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


A quick search reveals that the macine with the Davidstern belonged to Ltn.d.R. Adolf Auer of Jasta 40.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Clint. Photo 2BS..the broom was Hans Besser's marking ( Jasta 12 white nose) on 2 of his Fokkers (Besen = broom).
Photo 1~a....this must be 6666/18 (Alb) with diamond tail in US hands. Another photo shows the full serial.


Adolf Auer flew another DVII with a star, but with black fuselage and white tail, ex-Rosenstein.



Nick

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Nick,


Thanks for the additional info which drove me to my copies of Ray Rimmel's Fokker Anthology. In volume 3 P.5 there is a post war photo of D.VII D.6666/18 (unless it is 6686 the picture is not completely clear and my eyesight is not 100%). This is not Hans Besser's machine a photo of which (assuming that it is the same machine, and not just one with identical markings) appears in Vol.1 P.48 where it is described as OAW built.Some photos appear of Auer's other D.VII with a Davidstern which Ray Rimmel says was recorded as 4043/18, but wrongly! Its british markings being G/2/27.


Can anyone definitively provide the serials for either of Auer's Davidstern marked machine's or Hans Besser's machine with the Besen?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Clint. the clear shot of 6666/18 is on p.11 of Ray's D.VII Datafile no.9.

There were 2 D.VIIs in Js12 with slightly different broom insignia and white nose areas different, but both probably Bessen's ?

The star D.VII in your photo seems to be in British hands but not the one Auer was shot down in, which had Js40 colours plus narrow tail stripes and was photographed with Soden who shot him down. At least that's how I see it; can't help with serials I'm afraid. I wonder if the one with a star on white band was Auer's ?
There are a couple more photos of it anyway ( don't help though!).

Nick


https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/...-german-cross/

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Nick,


Thanks. My fault I didn't read your post properly. I thought you said that 6666/18 was the Besen machine. Reading it again you clearly didn't. Also it shows that I must have owned the Fokker Anthology before WDF 9, which as you say has a clear photo.Alas, the records I have in my excel doc are based on the first photo I see of an aircraft. Still all clear now hopefully.



The Fokker Anthology has photos of Auer's machine with the blue (?) striped tail. I had thought both of the Davidstern machines were flown by Auer.Now I'm less certain. I believe all the photos in the links I provided are captured machines,so unless he had more than one machine at the same time, not impossible I suppose, it suggests that the one in link on this site is not Auer's machine(?) Also one machine appears to have been captured by the RAF's 41 Squadron and the other by a USA unit


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Clint. Thought you might like this little film (if you havn't).... a real variety of DVIIs; I recognised one or two. If only it was in COLOUR !!

At 02.20 mins. there's another one with a 6-point star.

All for now

Nick


https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060022847

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Nick,


Thanks very much for posting this interesting link. I've looked through it once and its really great to watch 'live' Fokker D.VIIs.I shall be watching it again while pausing to see if I can pickout any serial numbers, though that looks like a challenge...


Still, I was listening to Leeds at Swansea while watching the video and Pablo Hernandez and yourself have both added,in your different ways, to the quality of my Sunday afternoon.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Fokker D.VII F D.7788/18in American hands at Koblenz airfield following the war:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WW...wAAOSw17ZfNvjB


Does anyone know which unit operated this machine prior to the armistice?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Fokker D.VII with an interesting marking at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-deut-Fl...EAAOSw0p9fbMk~


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Also this evening on ebay is a photo of two Fokker D.VII at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-CAPTURE...8AAOSwZu9fawoh


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Clint. Another shot of 7788 apparently with the 85th Aero (DH-4s) though there is an SE5a in the hangar, maybe 25th. No markings on the DVII unfortunately.



https://www.scalemodellingnow.com/hn...er-dvii-f-1-32


Nick

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Nick,


Thanks for the response. Its quite remarkable that such a high percentage of Fokker D.VII photos seem to date from the immediate post war period.I guess that may also be the case with 91*/18 and 'Z' in post #19 of this thread too. Annoyingly I feel sure I've seen a photo of 91*/18 somewhere before but can't think where. Well if that's a duplicate at least the machine with the 'Pelikan' in post #18 appears new and predates the war's end.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Clint. You may have seen the same photo in the Thetford & Gray "German aircraft of the First World War". The diagonal tail stripes on "Z" are similar to Jasta 37.
I think 7788/18 may be at Colombey-les-Belles both the 85th and 25th were there for a few weeks in 1919 (hence the SE5a? ). The field was HQ for Supply Services and demobilized USAS units post-war.
On p.9 of this site is 7744/18 with the 25th Aero possibly at the same time. This is a modelling site but has some good detail shots of DVIIs. 7788/18 is on p.10.



http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/vE472...structions.pdf


Nick

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Nick,


I agree with you about Wingnut wings site, its an excellent reference for aircrat and not just the Fokker D.VII either.


With regard to the location of the photo of D.VII F 7788/18, the Fokker anthology vol. 1 has the following text 'passed its acceptance test on November 29 1918 and passed to the USAS at Coblenz early the following year' I accept that that doesn't necessarily mean that the photo is taken at Coblenz, but given that it still bears German national markings, perhaps Germany is indicated as a location rather than France.


Also, you're correct that Smith & Kay is probably where I previously saw the photo, though the ebay one is much clearer.Jasta 37 is a distinct possibility but Jastas 71 and 73 can't be ruled out.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a further photo of the two Fokker D.VII, albeit from a different xamera angle from post # 19 in this thread at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-CAPTURE...0AAOSw2ZhfaxWb


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Fokker D.VII in civilian markings at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/X5358-Foto-f...UAAOSwBCtfgX8t


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are some photos of captured Fokker D.VII including D.VII (Alb) D.5356/18 of Jasta 37 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-CAPTURE...0AAOSwGJVfcGGT


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-CAPTURE...gAAOSwPTJfhAbD


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-CAPTURE...YAAOSwnd5fhAcG



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Fokker D.VII F D.7765/18 or D.7785/18 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Flugzeug-Fot...UAAOSwgaZeelR3


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two Fokker D.VII photos at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/8761a-ORIGIN...wAAOSwCH5gAIkR


https://www.ebay.de/itm/8762a-ORIGIN...wAAOSwpNVgAIkv


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

This is DVII (Alb) 638/18 "MOUSCHI" flown by Friedrich Poeschke Jasta 53, very similar to "Nickchen IV" flown by Blumenthal.
I think the name is a girlfriend's name.
Nick

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Nick,


Many thanks for the identification. I ahree it does look very like Blumenthal's machine. As the serial is not visible I take it you've seen a photo of this machine elsewhere?




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Clint. As it looked so similar I googled "Jasta 53" and found this. Couldn't find another photo though.
Regards
Nick



https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/416020084335624936/

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello Nick,


My problem is my record keeping.:o I actually have a photo of D.VII (Alb) 638/18 already where the serial can be seen. Next time I'll check my existing D.VII images.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Fokker D.VII (OAW) D.6475/18 of Jasta 67 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-x-Foto-Luf...EAAOSwD1Bf2ijA


Nice to have all the details conveniently on the rear of the photo.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Yep, that is rare indeed

Pity the actual photo is rather indifferent (in aircraft terms that is)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hi Stig,


A fair comment, but I wasn't previously aware of the operator of this particular machine, so still good to have. Hopefully I said view will turn up one day!


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Oh I saved it alright

The data listed is very valuable!!

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are three Fokker D.VII of Jasta 71,which have been seen before at:




Fokker D.VII (OAW) D.6467/18 of Leutnant Fritz Opppenhorst



https://www.ebay.de/itm/T412-JASTA-J...YAAOSwWfxgKj55




Fokker D.VII (OAW) D.6428/18 of Leutnant Hans Joachim von Hippel



https://www.ebay.de/itm/T413-JASTA-J...MAAOSwwnlgKj6u




Fokker D.VII of Leutnsnt Hermann Stutz. Does anyone have the serial number?



https://www.ebay.de/itm/T411-JASTA-J...8AAOSwCh1gKj5B


and a line up of Fokker D.VII of Jasta 71:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/T410-JASTA-J...kAAOSw8ZFgKj34


At the very left is Baurose's D.VII D.4301/18 and third from the left Fokker D.VII (OAW) D.4488/18.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of a Fokker D.VII of Hans Jaschonnek of Jasta 40 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/174998306483...8AAOSwtuZhevfW


https://www.ebay.de/itm/174998307198...sAAOSwV5FhevpD


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Jeschonnek's insignia was a white snorting "rampant" bull; black fuselage, white tail.


Nick

Re: Photo Fokker D.VII
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Fokker D.VII at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/144337483456...oAAOSwTV5hv1FK


Given that the seller has not used the word original I assume that it has been seen before. I have a couple of thoughts about the identity of the unit/pilot, but given my uncertainty I thought I'd solicit information from other board users. SO any thoughts?


Regards,


Clint