P-47 collision with Bf.109,22/06/44
 

The P-47 (42-76496),2/lt Boleslaw Kociencki,405th FG(510th FSq) MACR 6222,crashed Cloyes-sur-loir (12km so Chateaudun) after a collision with a Bf.109:the Bf.109 also crashed.

What is the german unity involved?
Michel

Re: P-47 collision with Bf.109,22/06/44
 

According to the ETO USAAF Victory List, Kocienki was awarded a Bf 109 that day at 2120 hrs at Cloyes.

So if there is a trace of this collision in German documents, it should be searched in a battle in the evening of that day.

III./JG 54 pilots claimed four P-47s and a P-51 at the right time (if both sides then used same hour, I have not checked it) and in the same general area.

Statement of Kocienki's loss (by the way he is still MIA) can be found here:
http://www.510fs.org/wwii/killed-in-...slaw-kociencki

This statement says that he was making a frontal pass with a Bf 109 and both were seen to crash, the P-47 losing part of its wing, but no collision is actually described.

III./JG 54 suffered no known loss that day.

Re: P-47 collision with Bf.109,22/06/44
 

The claims of III./JG54 ,4 P-47(405thFG +1 mustang (no mustang lost in that region)are very,very far from Cloyes-sur-Loir,156 km by car.

Claims:Le Neubourg,Beaumont-le Roger (2),Lyons-la-Foret
P-47 crashs:Baux-de-Breuteuil (Bernay),Grancamp (Bernay) and Evreux-Dreux
It's not really the same general area.
michel

Re: P-47 collision with Bf.109,22/06/44
 

Hello,
From Tony Woods files.
Time
21.02 - 1/JG1 - Ltn. Stoffel - claimed P47
21.12 - 9./JG54 - Uffz. Erwin Schleef - claimed P47
21.12 - 9./JG54 - Obfhr. Gunther Zilling - cIaimed P47
21.15 - Stab III./JG54 - Hptm. Robert WeiB - claimed P51
21.20 - 2./JG54 - Ltn. Hans Dortenmann - claimed P47
21.22 - 7./JG54 - Uffz. Otto Venjakob - claimed P47
Supplemental claims were-
7./JG51 - Uffz. Rahner - claimed P47
Stab I./JG3 - Hptm. Ernst Laube - claimed P47

Perhaps it is known if one of the above Luftwaffe pilots were killed on this day ?

However if both airmen were killed then is may be that there was actually NO claim credited for either airman .

Ooops, just read the previous post, so looks like the JG54 claims can be eliminated. Which just leaves -
21.02 - 1/JG1 - Ltn. Stoffel - claimed P47
7./JG51 - Uffz. Rahner - claimed P47
Stab I./JG3 - Hptm. Ernst Laube - claimed P47

Alex

Re: P-47 collision with Bf.109,22/06/44
 

Hello Alex

The P-47 claimed by Lt Stoffel (I./JG1) is Lt Raymond Parkhust (366thFG-390thFsq) crashed N.E Tinchebray.21h10
His claim is:Villers-Bocage/Vire (region of Tinchebray) 21h02

The claim of Laube is:P-47 near Bapaume (region of Arras),no P-47 lost in that region.

Michel