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NUPPOL 18th May 2015 19:41

Just before shot down
 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._Liberator.jpg

NUPPOL 18th May 2015 19:52

aircraft nose art
 
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/units/u.../noseart2.html

NUPPOL 27th May 2015 18:07

Air crash
 
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/172262754470806693/

gogh 27th May 2015 19:42

Re: Air crash
 
Go145 WNr.1436 stkz TL+BE

NUPPOL 28th May 2015 15:46

Re: Air crash
 
story at
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=215880

NUPPOL 28th May 2015 15:48

Re: Air crash
 
story at link
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=215880

NUPPOL 24th June 2015 20:53

Stuka dive bomber shot down 9 oct 1943
 
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-001

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...-sea-5420.html

NUPPOL 24th June 2015 20:57

Link of interest
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...299699&df=all&

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ome-43545.html

NUPPOL 24th June 2015 21:09

Aircraft photographs links
 
http://barthworks.com/aviation/wwiia...tionphotos.htm

Sharkers 1st July 2015 20:24

Re: Stuka dive bomber shot down 9 oct 1943
 
To know more about what has happened on october 9, 1943 in the Aegean sea west of Rhodos see:

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chr...ack%201943.pdf

http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chr...bach-USCAP.pdf

NUPPOL 19th July 2015 00:46

MIAS 1944
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=20886769&

Alex Smart 20th July 2015 02:45

Re: MIAS 1944
 
Hello NUPPOL,
These five airmen lost their lives after the number 1 engine blew up and they baled.
Searches failed to find them.
The aircraft made a safe landing at RAF Woodbridge, remaining crew were safe.
See MACR 11253, B17G "Sweet Sue", 43-38190, 493BG,861BS.
Alex

Alex Smart 21st July 2015 02:57

Re: MIAS 1944
 
Hello again NUPPOL,
Just to follow up on this thread.
By looking through the books I have to hand there seems to be some confusion about this a/c and its fate.

"Heavy Bombers of the Mighty Eighth" by Andrews & Adams, page 342
"338190 - 493 - 863 - M - Sweet Sue.
08-07-44 A1, 03-08-44 AOS, 00-00-44 G.
30-12-44 FTR DIT English Channel (?).
15-01-45 MID 338244 RG ?
25-02-45 FTR LOC A-95 Lt. Bernard E. Vaughan - 5 KIA, 4 RTD - MACR 11253.
00-00-45 RG, 26-11-45 Kingman, Arizona.
See: FREN 2- NASA 62285AC (?) - SMIB 201 - U493".
Explanations -
A1 - A/c added to AAF inventory.
AOS - A/c arrived or assigned overseas.
G - Gained.
FTR - failed to return.
DIT - Ditched.
MID - Mid air collision.
RG - Regained.
FREN 2 - Roger A. Freeman, "Combat Profile: B17 Flying Fortress in World War 2", Ian Allan 1989.
NASA 62285AC(?) - number identifies a b&w photograph.
SMIB - David J. Smith "Action Stations No 3" 1981 and page number.
U493 - USAAF "493rd BG: A Pictorial Review of Operations in the ETO" San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Publishing Co 1946.

Roger A. Freeman's "The B-17 Flying Fortress Story", pages 243/4.
"43-38190 - Del Cheyenne 5/7/44; Kearney 16/7/44; Dow Fd 3/8/44; ass 863BS/493BG Debach 4/8/44; b/d Nuremberg 25/2/45 w/?; f/l Nancy A/fd, Fr; MACR 1253; rep & ret gp; ret US Bradley 1/7/45; 4168 BU Sth Plains 4/7/45; RFC Kingman 26/11/45. Sweet Sue".
And ref to 43-38244 ( see above ref to a collision )
"43-38244 - Del Cheyenne 12/7/44; Kearney 21/7/44; Grenier 7/8/44; ass 861BS/493BG Debach 9/8/44; ret US Bradley 5/7/44; 4185 BU Independence 4/8/44; RFC Kingman 2/1/46". ( I think year dates here are suspect ).

And also the following two books by Andrews and Adams,
"The Mighty Eighth Combat Chronology".
Page 261
"30 December 1944
3rd Air Division
338190 - 493 - 864 - M - Sweet Sue - RFO - RAF Woodbridge - Note:5 baled out over water - fate unknown".

And page 294
"25 February 1945
3rd Air Division
338190 - 493 - 863 - M- Sweet Sue - FTR LOC - A-95 AF Nancy/Azelot, France - Lt. Bernard E. Vaughan - Note: 5 KIA - 4 RTD - MACR 11253".

And page 363
"3rd January 1946
338244 - 493 - 861 - F - Kingman, Arizona"

But in
"The Mighty Eighth Combat Chronology Supplement".
Could find no mention of 43-38190.

Also
See this thread for further info -
http://www.armyairforces.com/493bg-8...e-m108742.aspx

Over to you,
Good luck
Alex

NUPPOL 25th July 2015 21:09

German POWs at Goodwood Sussex Sept 1940-story?
 
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...-photo/2674127

Chris Goss 26th July 2015 00:28

Re: German POWs at Goodwood Sussex Sept 1940-story?
 
Not Goodwood but Burmarsh-well known photo

NUPPOL 26th July 2015 14:18

German POWS Sept 11, 1940
 
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=114&t=216974

NUPPOL 12th August 2015 14:10

P-47 "Little Lulu"
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&PIpi=36956842

NUPPOL 13th August 2015 20:16

Lt William O Pile MIA 12-23-1944 ID 2015
 
http://www.dpaa.mil/OurMissing/Recen...ountedFor.aspx

NUPPOL 17th August 2015 21:22

B-24 crash
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=61158526&

NUPPOL 27th September 2015 20:43

Schweinfurt raid 1943
 
Eyewitness accounts of the Schweinfurt raid Oct 1943:
http://havechanged.blogspot.com/2013...hweinfurt.html

NUPPOL 5th October 2015 21:53

3 World War II Veterans lost 1962
 
On Jan 8, 1962 a KB-50 tanker of the 427th Air Refueling Squadron was lost in the Atlantic.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=74687
of the 9 men lost, 3 were World War II Veterans:
Robert John Tawney
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=22475490&
Bernard Hanley
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...548317&df=all&
Arnold Womack
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...194782&df=all&
of the remaining crewmen, 4 of 6 have cenoapth memorials:
*Zoltan Szaloki
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...GRid=22546878&
*Billie D Moore
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...897197&df=all&
*Paul Clawson
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...893129&df=all&
*Carlton Link
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...921510&df=all&
ALso lost:
*Harry Stetser
*William Anderson

NUPPOL 10th October 2015 00:53

ATF of the RAF
 
ATF Squadron Leader story
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34473589

NUPPOL 11th October 2015 15:52

5 X 5 bomb crew lost 1943
 
See virtual memorial of crew lost 1943
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GSvcid=363516

NUPPOL 11th October 2015 15:56

Re: 5 X 5 bomb crew lost 1943
 
Picture of 5 X 5
http://www.b24bestweb.com/mr5x5-1.htm


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