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Håkan

3rd April 2017 09:03

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello,

Grisetvets according to Bykov is published on my site: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/soviet_gritsevets.htm

Best wishes/Håkan

knusel

4th April 2017 11:40

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello Håkan,

thanks for updating your Gritsevets victory list according to Bykov's book.
Do you think it will ever be possible to reveal the decimals of all of Gritsevets' shared kills ?

Cheers,

Michael

kirche

4th April 2017 22:53

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

M.Y.Bykov's and Alex Osokin's data - rating (on 19.11.2015):
I-16
1. Pidtykan Ivan Dmitrievich = 12 + 10
2. Safonov Boris Feoktistovich = 12 + 5
3. Kharitonov Vasily Nikolaevich = 10 + 16
4. Pilipenko Ivan Markovich = 10 + 13
5. Baranov Mikhail Semenovich = 10 + 3

knusel

5th April 2017 14:52

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello Kirill,

thanks for your post.
Could you tell me the decimals of the shared kills of Pilipenko ?

Cheers,

Michael

Ota Jirovec

5th April 2017 15:00

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello Michael,

You can count them yourself here:

http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/p/pilipenko.htm

Hope this helps,

Ota

knusel

5th April 2017 15:04

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Yeah, that makes a I-16 score of 11,46-12,96 for Pilipenko. Thanks.

Will we ever know all decimals of the shared kills of Gritsevets ?

Michael

stukapilot

5th April 2017 17:12

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

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Originally Posted by knusel (Post 231674)

Dear Stukapilot,

according to the Bykov lists you posted,

the I-16 score of Golubyev is 9,24,
the I-16 score of Muravitzkiy 7,86.

Would you be so kind to post the lists of Shestakov and Gritsevets ?

Thanks in advance,

Michael

hi, Michael, here's the foto shoots from Bykov's about Gritsevets and two Shestakovs' claims and i guess u do focus on Lev Shestakov, who might collide with another luftwaffe ace Hans Dammers of JG-52 in his last sortie unreturned

knusel

6th April 2017 21:32

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello Stukapilot,

thanks a lot for posting.
I see again a Spain score for Shestakov of 2+1sh kills.
Can you tell me who "invented" the Shestakov Spain score of 8+31sh that is so often to be found ? What is the story behind that ?

Cheers,

Michael

stukapilot

10th April 2017 17:16

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by knusel (Post 231955)

it's the quotation from wikipedia:

Quote:

According to research by Tomas Polak and Christopher Shores, Shestakov rates as The Soviet Union's all-time second-ranking fighter pilot, ahead of Ivan Kozhedub (62) and behind Vasiliy Naydenko (99). Most other lists rank Naydenko much lower, with Kozhedub first

i think that's the book Stalin's Falcons: The Aces of the Red Star

knusel

11th April 2017 21:41

Re: Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

Hello there Gentlemen,

in the quest for the top I-16 ace, I compiled the following most promising candidates and their I-16 scores:
#Golubyev
---Polak: 23+12
---Bykov: 5+16
#Shestakov
---Polak: 11+39
---Bykov: 5+9
#Muravitzky
---Polak: 12+35
---Bykov: 5+10
#Pilipenko
---Polak: 13+29
---Bykov: 13+10
#Gritsevets
---Polak: 14+26
---Bykov: 9+24

Cheers,

Michael

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