Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Luftflotte 4 (Uman') - Genobst. Otto Deßloch

VIII.Fliegerkorps (Bila Tserkva) - Gen.d.Fl. Hans Seidemann

Jagdgeschwader 54
II./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Erich Rudorffer
---- 7 x Fw190A-4, 13 x Fw190A-5, 4 x Fw190A-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x Fw190A-4)

Schlachtgeschwader 9
IV./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Bruno Meyer
---- 3 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
10./ (Uman')
---- 12 x Hs129B-2
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 6 x Hs129B-2)

Schlachtgeschwader 10
Stab/ (Berdichev) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Helmut Viedebantt
---- 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Egon Thiem
---- 11 x Fw190F-3, 12 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj Götz Baumann
---- 41 x Fw190G-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)

Schlachtgeschwader 77
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Helmut Bruck
---- 1 x Ju87D-3, 3 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-5)
I./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Werner Roell
---- 1 x Ju87D-1, 13 x Ju87D-3, 11 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 4 x Ju87D-3, 2 x Ju87D-5)
II./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Alexander Gläser
---- 6 x Fw190F-2, 10 x Fw190F-3
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Fw190F-3)
III./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Franz Kieslich
---- 12 x Ju87D-3, 19 x Ju87D-5
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-3, 4 x Ju87D-5)

Kampfgeschwader 3
Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Fritz Auffhammer
---- 1 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88C-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
I./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Joachim Jödicke
---- 32 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88A-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 8 x Ju88A-4)

Kampfgeschwader 27
Stab/ (Kirovograd) - Geschwaderkommodore Obst. Hans-Henning von Beust
---- 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
III./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Karl Mayer
---- 21 x He111H-16
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 53
Stab/ (Rotmistrovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Karl-Eduard Wilke
---- 3 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-14
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0)
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Herbert Wittmann
---- 24 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 3 x He111H-16)

Kampfgeschwader 55
II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Heinz Höfer
---- 21 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6
----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x He111H-16)

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Thanks for info!

Any details and dates for losses? Also, You forgot II./SG2, wich fought over Kiev in early november.

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Dear friends!

Could You please help me with some Luftwaffe losses on 3.11.43, Luftflotte 4.

-Ju87 (I presume St.G.77 / SG.77)
-Ju88
-He111
-Bf109 (JG51? Aufklarungs?)
-Fw189 (Aufklarungs?)
-Fw190 (JG54, JG51, II./SG2)?

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Hello...


I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf)

There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research).

Adriano Baumgartner

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry

Adriano B.

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Hello Evgeny,

according to the Gen.Qu. loss reports on 3 November 1943 Luftflotte 4 units lost the following aircraft:

Go 242 WNr. 014 Schleppgruppe 2 (no enemy action) Warwarowka, Absturz 100%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 19675 10./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Bruchlandung, 10%

Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 140061 11./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Absturz, 100%

Ju 88 D-1 WNr. 430893 4.(F)/122 Nikolajew-Ost, Flakbeschuss, 100%

Ju 88 A-4 WNr. 888672 2. Ung.K.St. Planquadrat 0141, Absturz infolge Flakbeschuss, Aufschlagbrand, 100%

Fw 190 A-4 WNr. 7112 5./JG 54 (no enemy action) Usin-Kiew Süd, Fahrwerkschaden, 85%

Bf 110 G-2 WNr. 5200 5./NJG 200 bei Kertsch, Absturz nach Luftkampf, 100%

Regards
Leo

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Thanks Adriano, I have all Hs129 losses and there are no for 3.11.43.

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

5./JG54 had at least 1 combat damage, wich caused aircraft left on Kiev-West airfield. It was Fw190A of Paschke, wich had damaged left wingtip on 1st combat mission on that day. Only 5 Fw190 left for Fastov, not all 6. But this loss is not in losslist.

https://s22.postimg.cc/cgd2fwr7l/Paschke.jpg

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Gentlemen - are there any losses of Fw189 of 7.(H)/32 (NAGr.6) on 3.11.43?

Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
 

Hi Evgeny,

in the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed no NAGr 6 losses in the period 20 Oct 1943 to 11 Nov 1943 (19 Oct 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 125290 70%, 12 Nov 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 528 100%).

Regards
Leo