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RT 21st February 2009 22:42

Last loss of a Hs123
 
Very amased to found an Hs123 shot-down by FLak near the Island of Cepel/Donau on 5.dec.44 so quite at the same time in the skies of Hungary flew an Hs123 nd Me262..

the unit of the Hs123 ??? Some Erg.SG ..

Remi

Dénes Bernád 22nd February 2009 17:54

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
The Island of Csepel is indeed in Hungary, just south of Budapest.
Do you have other details?

P.S. No Me 262 ever flew over Hungary...

Merlin 24th February 2009 21:01

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Hello Remi,

this was WNr. 2738 from Stab I./SG 2 marked white 4+, Lt. Herbert Elend dead.

RT 24th February 2009 21:48

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Really "magic" Merlin, posting this one I was pretty sure that no answer araise, may I force my modesty to ask from which source come the info ??

Remi

cproyston 25th February 2009 08:20

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Merlin/Remi,

I too am interested in a source for this.

I was aware from
the Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen returns for II./SG2 that the unit reported four Hs 123s on strength between November and December 1944, but have nothing similar noted for I. Gruppe,

Cheers,
Chris


RT 27th February 2009 17:38

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Now on 12.dez. one more Hs but that time a 126, declared as missing recce ops. over Nagy bajon Plattensee Hungary

Remi

cproyston 2nd March 2009 00:04

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Remi,

Can't help with your loss, but a 3. staffel Hs 126 (??+EL - with a yellow E) was found and photographed at Klagenfurt wearing full post-7th March 1945 Luftflotte 4 ID markings, proving the type saw front-line action right up until the end of the war.

The only Luftflotte 4 operators of the Hs 126 "should" have been 2./NAGr.12 (reporting 15 Hs 126/Bf 109s on strength 9.4.45) or NASt. Kroatien (reporting 16 Hs 126/Bf 109/Bf 110s on strength 9.4.45), but my suspicion is the aircraft belonged to 3.(F)/121, whose Ju 188s were identically marked (the other recce 3. staffel in Luftflotte 4, 3.(F)/33, didn't bother carrying the yellow ID markings or have coloured individual aircraft letters).

So, I only have circumstantial evidence, but perhaps yours also belonged to 3.(F)/121?

Cheers,
Chris

PS I recall, but can't find where the info is to confirm when, that NSGr.7 reported the type on strength, but your "recce ops" probably rules them out.

DaveWest99 25th March 2009 18:44

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Hi RT/Merlin,

I too am very interested in where your information came from. I'm researching the Hs123 and any loss information would be most welcome.

Regards
Dave

FrankieS 25th March 2009 23:08

Volksbund
 
Nachname: Elend
Vorname: Herbert
Dienstgrad: Leutnant
Geburtsdatum: 30.10.1909
Geburtsort: Aberg
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 05.12.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort: 3 km v.Marcali


Herbert Elend ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Böhönye (Ungarn), unter den Unbekannten.

Nick Beale 25th March 2009 23:16

Re: Last loss of a Hs123
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cproyston (Post 82371)
The only Luftflotte 4 operators of the Hs 126 "should" have been 2./NAGr.12 (reporting 15 Hs 126/Bf 109s on strength 9.4.45) or NASt. Kroatien (reporting 16 Hs 126/Bf 109/Bf 110s on strength 9.4.45) …

The Hs 126 with 2./NAG 12 in April 1945? Stab, 1. and 2./NAG 12 had been operating Bf 109s throughout 1944 and early 1945 (and reporting only Bf 109s on strength) — is your source saying there was a last-minute switch? Again, whenever NA Staffel Kroatien reported operations, it seems always to have been with the Hs 126, no 109s or other types.


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