Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

What happens with you Neil?

These photos were available on eBay auction which is open to ALL.
David use to "clean" them to post them in his site.

Never heard, never seen, that these lasts were yours before and you never did post them on line as far I know.

Can you make me a favor Neil?

Please use your strength an position to make an old friend of mine to be paid for a publication of his work (Two volumes?) which has been published in another language than the original one.... :)

This should be the correct position instead of, suddenly like "un cheveux sur la soupe" losing your time with bad scanned - as you said - eBay pictures which do not make interesting détails to appear properly.

Yours, Franck.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

... and? ... is usual by well known authors too ... one of them (maybe it's yours) used one of my pictures in his JG x- volume by an simple copy from the pictures in JFV - series ... he never asked me although my name was written in the Prien - book ... he didn't know that I retouch all my pictures with an personal sign (visible but not recognizable for viewers and known for me only, sorry) ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

I think its reasonable enough to post them during the auction, but to take them down at the end of the auction when the new owner requests this. After all, David wouldn't dream of spending 1,000 euros on a set of images, would he? But he's happy to 'clean' the images up and post them as if they were his! I think he's got a bloody cheek.. I also think the new owner is perfectly entitled to 'protect' his investment. The new owner of these images and the author you refer to are one and the same person...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Aha ... and what about my picture(s) in your blog?? Please delete these picture(s).

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

All right everyone, take your arguments about copyrights, photoshopping, blogs and potential mis-use of photos from various sources off this board!

Those are personal fights and NOT germane to the purpose of this Board.

If you persist, we will take all the threads and posts down and consider some banning. Be warned!

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

sorry John, but this particular thread actively encourages your first point, so if that's the only way to remove those links to our images posted elsewhere without permission then I'm in favour of your last point ..

as for Rasmussen and his unfounded accusation in post #762....up in arms when the boot's on the other foot.. pathetic!

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Have an look at Mombeek, JG 2 chronicle, p.120, lower picture, and then on Prien JFV vol.3, p.141, and then look for my sign ... great fun Sherlock Holmes.

Your boots are to small for your feets and - please delete my picture(s) from your blog - again (for example the BC+BZ form June 2011) or all your accusations against David Weiß are stupid, hollow twaddle.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Oh for God's sake, can you not understand a simple request from John to take your personal fights elsewhere? Don't you have email?

This is all getting very reminiscent of when my mother used to teach five-year-old children. Please everyone, just take a deep breath and calm down.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi folks,

As the initiator of this thread, can I add my voice to take your quarrel on a private level? I would very much appreciate we remain focused on useful suggestions and informations.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

no problem with that, not that I even know which pictures are yours. Of course we'd appreciate by the same token the removal of our pictures as requested to David Weiß...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

More to the point, which bit of "private dispute = private message" do people not understand? Enough, everyone.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

"private dispute" ? ..the links to our pictures (posted without permission on another site) are still up in post #752

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Your illegal presentation of my pictures (posted without of my permission) on your blog too ....

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

..nothing to do with TOCH. And if you provide details then of course they can be removed !

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

OK, this has gone far enough. I do not want to lock this thread, but, I will, and remove some uncivil postings unless this "he said, I said" stops. I would hate to ban someone, but Nick and I have done so before and will do it again.

Take ALL accusations, and personal arguments off this Board into whatever domain you wish. TOCH is not a democracy or flame war site where you can post whatever you want.

If there are genuine issues about illegal photo/copyright postings on this board, please let me or Nick know, BACKED by evidence, and we will remove them.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

i just chanced on two incredibly sharp and totally unknown pics of Bf 109 K-4's shot during the closing days by Al Mozell, Combat photographer with the 71 Infantry Division. No location is given.

http://pmozell.photoshelter.com/gall...000ADE8.YQCVWE

This could be W.Nr. 335 069. Location could be Amberg-Schafhof, but also Cham or Bodenwöhr...

http://pmozell.photoshelter.com/gall...000xqCfBSKzB0Y

W.Nr. 334 199, location unknown (Nuremberg ?)

Any further informations most welcome!

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Both a/c were flown in February/ March 1945 in Cham, so it's an possible location of the pics ...

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Many thanks, Jörg!


Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hello Marc,

Nice find. Thank you very much.

Did you notice the short tail wheel leg on 33X069?

Steve Sheflin

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Steve,

You're most welcome. And you wouldn't believe me: I missed it out, so intent was I at verifying the W.Nr. on the rudder ;-)

Really exceptionally clear shots.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

I just chanced on this ultra rare shot of a WNF Diana Werk Tischnau-Tisnov built Bf 109 G-10, Erg.KG (J), being towed by an ox, probably at Illesheim, in February or March 1945.

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15963579733/

Source: estate of Rudolf Sand, former mechanic of KG (J) 55, via historical-media.com:
www.historical-media.com/id1082.htm

Cheers
Marc

Foto of 109G with strange fittings in wing leading edge
 

over on a Check site
http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.p...90638&start=75
The text makes reference to K-6 with MK 108 installation.
Greetings, Richard

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Fols,

As often, chance has its share for finding new gems... Starting from this picture taken at Danzig-Langfuhr, and showing WNF built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 51. ... "Schwarze 1", 10./JG 51,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648764713

I began scrutinizing the planes seen in the background until I chanced on what seems to be a Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 330xxx-331xxx "Schwarzer Winkel Welle", Stab IV./JG 51.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648764713

The combination of the chevron and wave symbol together as a tactical marking is something new for me at that late stage of the war. Any ideas about its meaning and any other examples ?

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hallo, Marc,
the combination <~+~ is strange indeed. For me it seems to have something to do with the IV.Gruppe and its staff. The double-wave of a late-war IV.Gruppe is quite different than the triple-wave of an early-war III.Gruppe.
The equivalent for the II.Gruppe could be <-+-, which is well known to us - but for the Geschwader staff.
But in case there´s a connection, other combinations with <|+| or <||+| would have quite a different meaning as a Stab marking for the III.Gruppe.
Just a thought. Could it be the late-war staff markings system was entirely changed after the introduction of a IV.Gruppe and the choice of 11,12,13 or 21,22,23 for the Staffel leaders?

Regards

Roland

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks Roland,

For your invigorating thoughts! You might well be on the right track, by tying down those special tactical markings with the introduction of a IV. Gruppe. It remain now a matter of patiently tracking down new photographic evidence... a tireless work indeed ;)

Thanks again
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks, Marc, but maybe those thoughts turn out to be some kind of dead-end-street.
The inscription "????berg" on "Black 1 + ~" reminds me of the Mühldorf-Mettenheim wrecks with "Flossenbürg" and "Pocking" chalked on the fuselages, Zerlegebetrieb and Reparaturbetrieb vice versa. Maybe we read some Northeast German equivalent.

Regards

Roland

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi Guys,

My only reference being Michael Holm site, I have a question: Did IV./JG51 really had Bf109K-4?
But talking about Danzig-Langfuhr .. JG 1 really had.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Roland,

Highly interesting your pointer to the chalked inscription of @Schwarze 1". Thanks. Franck, check my JG 51 album on Flickr and there you'll see the one known K-4, "Schwarze 1", at Rønne, Denmark. So we can safely assume some K-4 found their way throughout JG 51...

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi,

Yes, IV./J.G. 51 had the Bf 109 K-4 at Danzig in February 1945. I'm sure the 109 experts can add more details.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com/earticles

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

OK, Thanks ... Effectively I have some in lost list.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks to Mathias B, over on LRG Forum, here are two interesting shots:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/002-WWII-942...p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/001-WWII-942...p2047675.l2557

IMHO a MTT built Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 78. ... "Gelbe 12", 7./JG 53, Malmsheim, early April. Source: 942nd Eng Topographic Bn via eBay, with thanks to Mathias B, LRG Forum, 3 May 2015.

Any infirmation/confirmation would be greatly appreciated.


Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hi there Gang,

Thanks to Mathias B, over on LRG, here are two interesting shots:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/001-WWII-942...p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/001-WWII-942...p2047675.l2557

IMHO, we have a MTT built Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 78. ... "Gelbe 12", 7./JG 53, Malmsheim (?), after 1 April 1945. Source: 942nd Engineers Topographic Bn via LRG Forum.

Any information/confirmation is warmly welcomed

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Here we are again with a fine shot of a WNF built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 20xxx "Weisse 66".
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Messersc...item488014007a

The seller's caption says JG 3, Bernburg, no date given. Could it be an Erg.JG Süd machine, sometimes in the Summer of 1944 ?

Thanks for your insights
Mar

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

What is the full text on that radiator flap?

PS. Thank you for your great Flickr account, incredibly informative and helpful. Will it always be exclusively for 109's?

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

You're most welcome, Jasate. And unfortunately, no idea of the full text in this radiator flap...

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

And an exceptionally clear Bf 109 K-4 shot, again thanks to Franck Benoîton:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/dateposted/
Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 33. 148, unit unknown, Gardelegen, after 15 April 1945. Source: eBay auction via Facebook.com. Courtesy of Franck Benoîton, Bf 109 from Anton to Toni Group, Facebook.com, 2 July 2015.

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

And now an Erla nut to crack:

Thanks to Randy Malmostroem, over on Facebook, here are two pics showing an unfinished Erla Bf 109 G-14 airframe whith its factory W.Nr. 50 278 painted in the centre of the Balkenkreuz:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/

Could the location be Leipzig Mockau ?
What would be the RLM W.Nr. for Erla factory W.Nr. 50 278 ?

Thanks in advance
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

From where you know that's an G-14 from the 465xxx - range? Could it be an G-10-frame too?

Greetings Rasmussen

P.S.: The location wasn't Leipzig-Mockau. They used another type of hangars.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Thanks Jörg!

Actually Gregor Guttenberger just pointed out the right side half moon under the windscreen convincingly. We thus have either a G-14/AS or a G-10. What about the Erla factory W.Nr. Could this number 50278 written in the usual Erla position in the central space of the fuselage Balkenkreuz be one ? Were they still used at that late time ?
And thanks for the airfield. Scratch that one. What about other locations ? Erfurt ?

Cheers
Marc

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source
 

Hello Marc-Andre'

if this is a Erla Werknummer 50.278,it is RLM Werknummer 151.992, a Bf 109 G10/R6, manufactured late March 1945 and then "abgestellt". That means, the completely finished aircraft was not delivered to Luftwaffe, but simply put on storage at the manufacturer, presumably not even having a BAL Abnahme.

There are quite a few newly a/c put aside in March/April 1945. I can only guess on the reasons for this, perhaps lack of gas, perhaps no need for Bf 109s any more, perhaps no pilots for acceptance or delivery. Rasmussen is the expert on Erla, perhaps he can enlighten us.

Cheeers

Carl